Minutes of the 8 December 1996 Meeting
[Note: These submissions appear on the Apr 1997 LoAR]
Notes and Announcements
The regular monthly chapter of the Caidan College of Heralds took place on 8
December 1996. In attendance were: Albyn Buckthorne (al-Sahid), Ghislaine
d'Auxerre, Bruce Draconarius (Scribe Armarius), Astriðr, Madawc Seamus
Caradawg (Dolphin), Manus le Dragonier (Battlement), Tonwen ferch Gruffudd Aur
(Gold Forest), Nigel the Byzantine, Judwiga Czarny Jagello Ze Smokza Jamy
(Sommelier), Damien of Baden (Sable Fret), Caointighern nic Thiobraide,
Earnán Caomhánach (Steinsee), Katherine of Anglesey, Sean
Vuibhearn, Seosaidh MacFaoilcheire, Morgan O'Daire, Drogon d'Artois, Kelan
McBride, Catherine Adrienne de Steele (Tanweeristan), Aeschine nic Leoid,
Griffin Crosthwait (Oak Leaf), James of the Lake (Moucheture), Angharad
Un¦ a tyr Stenrenow, Eridana Ambra Dragotta, Simon Fraser Montgomerie
(Dun Or), Christopher Lelyand d'Eyncourt (Golden Rose), Miguel Esteban Franco
de los Rios (Blue Mountain), al-Haadi abd-al-Malik Husam ibn Khalid (El
Munadi), and Darrag an Liath (Silver Trumpet)
The meeting was called to order at 11:15AM.
The event steward for Great Western War I is calling on the populace of Caid
for any donations that they can make (i.e., lights, toiletries, fire
extinguishers, etc.). Contact her directly.
The Kingdom of Caid and the College of Heralds are grieved by the loss of the
Baron of Naevehjem. The family has requested that donations be made to an SCA
charity; the Barony is establishing a memorial fund for this purpose. The helm
was passed for members of the College to contribute, and a total of $74 was
collected; Crescent will forward it to the Barony.
Crescent has set new policy on submissions: If a device appears acceptable
but would ordinarily be returned for administrative reasons (in particular if
the name is returned), the submission will be pended at kingdom to save the
submitter the trouble of recreating the device submission forms. The pending
will be indefinite, so notation of this fact must be made in the minutes. It is
advisable for submitters (or their consulting heralds) to note that armory is
pended at kingdom and should be forwarded with name resubmissions_the intent is
to forward such submissions with the name, but a reminder never hurts.
The LoARs for October and November were read. Comments on whether to continue
to allow double given Russian names were requested by Laurel; Crescent will
collect any inputs to add to the commentary. The addition of a place name to an
order name is to be considered a weirdness due to lack of evidence for period
useage. The official SCA heraldry web page is up. The new, BoD approved,
College of Arms Administrative Handbook accompanied the November LoAR; copies
were provided for all territorial heralds. Bruce Draconarius made an offer to
aid in the construction of appeals for several of the returns.
A reminder was given for all territorial heralds to turn in their Domesday
reports. For non-territorial heralds, a minimum of a request to remain on the
roster is required.
We will have a work party on January 25 for the purpose of repair and
organization of the College library and files. A potluck lunch is suggested
with the work party starting at about 11AM; we will end at about 3PM regardless
of the degree of progress made.
The heraldry meetings for the first half of 1997 are as follows: 1/19, 2/9,
3/9, 4/13, 5/4, 6/1, 7/13.
A new version of the Order of Precedence was available; as usual, corrections
and additions should be sent to the keeper of the OP, Golden Rose. Written
evidence (photocopies of promissaries, for example) is desirable when
requesting additions, but even if this is not available, please let us know of
apparent problems.
Caid, Kingdom of
Order of Chiron (New order badge)
Azure, a sagittary passant argent.
- Name:
- Approved and sent to Laurel by the Caidan College of Heralds, Nov.
1996.
- Badge:
While the "sagittary" or "sagittarius" is commonly
mentioned in heraldic reference works, there is little mention of his default
position. We have found examples of sagittary both aiming his bow forward
(e.g. [Dennys, 1975, p. 119]) and the human torso turned to aim backward
[Woodcock and Robinson, 1988, p. 144]) as emblazons of sagittary (in fact,
both are illustrations of the same coat, that attributed to the English King
Stephen). The English families "Lambert" are noted as commonly
having a sagittary as their crest; the only emblazon Crescent has found is in
[Fairbain and Butters, 1986], where the centaur is aiming forward. The 6th US
Field Artillery has as its crest (and distinctive unit insignia) a winged
sagittary; in its official form the centaur aims his bow in the same
direction he is travelling (to dexter). Based on these examples, we have
elected not to specify the direction of aim of this emblazon. This appears to
accord with SCA practice, at least insofar as it can be determined from the
Ordinary; while most sagittaries do not specify the position of the torso,
there is one example where the "over the back" position is
specified.
Both Fairbain and the official blazon for the 6th FA describe the relevant
charge as a centaur, by the way. Since the constellation Sagittarius appears
to be the common association of the name "sagittary", and that
constellation in turn is associated with Chiron, we prefer the specialized
name "sagittary" or "sagittarius" for its association
with the name of the Order.
This badge conflicts with the arms of BLOYS, Gu. a sagittarius arg.
his bow and shaft sa. ([Papworth and Morant, 1977, p. 983]), but we do
not consider this family to be significant enough to protect under the Modest
Proposal. While the most prominent member of this family, King Stephen, is
probably prominent enough to be covered by the Modest Proposal, he has
Gu. a sagittarius Or. "[a]ssigned to" him (according to
[Papworth and Morant, 1977, p. 983] and other sources).
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Angels, Barony of
Alrik the Red (New name, New device)
Gules, a lion's head cabossed Or between two pallets counter-compony
sable and argent.
- Name:
"Alrik" is found on pp. 79 and 446 of A History of the
Vikings by Gwyn Jones and cited as "a king in Vastergotland, named on a
runic stone, Saprlosa." "Alric" is found on [Reaney, 1976, p.
4] under the heading "Aldrich" and is cited as being Old English
circa 1066. We also find "Alric" on [Searle, 1969, p. 67] dated to
693.
"The Red" is a descriptive surname referring to the submitter's
desire to wear red-coloured garb.
- Device:
- We cite the arms of Conan Goldenhair (1/73), Gules, a lion's head
erased reversed Or. It is clear with a CD for the addition of the
pallets and a CD for the orientation of the head. We also cite the arms of
SLEDD ([Papworth and Morant, 1977, p. 911]), Gules, a leopard's head
Or. This is a conflict, but we don't feel that Sledd is important enough
to protect.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Domus Solaris (New household name, New household badge)
Per fess argent and sable, a sun eclipsed of the field counterchanged and
in base three mullets of eight points argent.
- Name:
The actual meaning of the name is "the sunny house".
"Domus" is found on p. 73 of Cassell's Latin/English Dictionary
meaning "house".
"Solaris" is found on p. 209 of the same source meaning "of
the sun". (This is in the sense of "sunny" rather than of
possession or direct association; the latter would be the genitive form of
"sol", which would be "solis". See the etymology for
"solarium" in the [Oxford University, 1971].)
- Badge:
- Note that a sun and a mullet of eight points are not two depictions of the
same charge; the origin of the mullet is commonly held to be in the spur
rowel ("molette") rather than the astronomical star (see, e.g.
[Brooke-Little, 1973, p. 96-7]).
NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Calafia, Barony of
Angéle Plaisance (new name, new device)
Per pale purpure and vert, an annulet and a pair of wings conjoined in
pale Or.
- Name:
"Angéle" is a feminine form of "Ange" as
found under the latter on [Dauzat, 1987, p. 9].
"Plaisance" is a local variation of "Plaire" as found
under the latter on [Dauzat, 1987, p. 487].
- Device:
- We do not consider this in conflict with Gules, a hawk's lure
(SCA-Elisabeth de Rossignol, Oct. 1989). There is a CD for the field and we
opine another CD between a lure and the charge here.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Barbara atte Rose (Resub [Caid] device)
Purpure, on a duck's footprint throughout Or a rose purpure.
- Name:
- Registered with Laurel, July 1995
- Device:
- We could not properly blazon the device as drawn (the above being the
closest of several attempts), so we are returning it for further work.
DEVICE RETURNED FOR UNBLAZONABILITY.
Guenevere Marian Coe (New name, New device)
Argent, a pale wavy vert between two ravens close sable.
- Name:
"Guenevere" is found on [Withycombe, 1977, p. 140] under the
heading of the same spelling.
"Marian" is found on [Farmer, 1987, p. 284] dated to the 3rd
century.
"Coe" is found on [Reaney, 1976, p. 78] and on [Bardsley, 1988,
p. 192]. It is cited in both books as dating to 1273 as the surname of
Beatrix le Coe.
- Device:
- No conflicts were found.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Gwendolen of Cairnryan (New name, New device)
Per chevron vert and Or, two triquetras inverted Or and a hawk's head
erased sable hooded Or.
- Name:
"Gwendolen" is found referenced in the LoAR cover letter for
9/5/95, p. 2.
"Cairnryan" is found on [Johnston, 1934, p. 120]. It is also
found on [Seltzer, 1952, p. 305].
- Device:
- We are returning the device for the metal on metal problem with the hawk's
hood which makes the charge unidentifiable. Suggestions concerning changing
the tincture of the hood are being forwarded to the submitter.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR FURTHER WORK.
Magnus Blakkihattr Bjarnarson (New name, New device)
Gules, a monk's hood and a bordure argent.
- Name:
"Magnus" is found on [Haraldsson, 1977, p. 13].
"Blakkihattr" is a combination of "blakki" as found in
the phrase "inn bakki" meaning "pale, ashen, gray" and
"hattr" meaning "hat"; both are found on [Haraldsson,
1977, p. 20]. The end meaning would be "gray hat". We believe this
would be an acceptable combination given the documented reference of
"gráfeldarmúli" which means "grey
cloak".
"Bjarnarson" is a patronymic meaning "son of Bjorn";
see, for example, [Haraldsson, 1977, p. 18].
However, this appears to be at odds with the submitter's intended meaning;
after some discussion, the consulting herald withdrew the submission for
further discussion with the submitter.
Crescent notes, in response to a question asked at the meeting, that this
general form (a given name followed by a nickname and a patronymic) is the
"canonical" form of an Old Norse name, and is not only correct but
preferred.
- Device:
- No conflicts found.
NAME WITHDRAWN FOR CONSULTATION WITH SUBMITTER.
DEVICE PENDED.
Míchél MacDara (New name, New device)
Vert, on a pile embattled Or a tree eradicated sable.
- Name:
"Míchél" "was rare in Ireland until
relatively recent times" as found under this spelling on [Ó
Corráin and Maguire, 1981, p. 136].
"MacDara" is "a shortened form of "Mac
Dhubhdarach" as found under this spelling on [Woulfe, 1967, p. 349]. It
is also found on [MacLysaght, 1985, p. 75] under "(Mac)
Darragh".
- Device:
- No conflicts found.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Véronique de Viennois (Resub [Caid] name)
- Name:
We have added an acute accent to the first 'e' of the submitter's
original submission, "Veronique de Viennois". Given past examples
of Dauzat's supplied accents being modern, we are not certain that this is
necessary or appropriate, but this is how our available documentation shows
it.
Her identical submission of Nov. 1996 was returned by the Caidan College
because, based on the evidence presented the grammatical construction was
incorrect. The submitter has provided additional documentation showing
evidence of this form used in period, to wit: on [Neubecker, 1976, pg. 98]
there is mention of the last Dauphine, Anne "de Viennois", who died
in 1301. Also: see below.
"Véronique" can be found on [Dauzat, 1987, p. 592].
[Withycombe, 1977] notes (under "Veronica" on p. 288) that
"Véronique" has been used a good deal in France."
"Viennois" is an ethnic spelling variant of the province of the
city of Vienna, as found under the "Vienne" in [Dauzat and
Rostaing, 1978, p. 713]. As a place name in its own right, "de
Viennois" is quite reasonable in this context.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Dreiburgen, Barony of
Ciorsdan inghean fucadair (New name, New device)
Argent, a unicorn rampant purpure on a chief vert three
roses argent barbed and seeded Or.
- Name:
"Ciorsdan" is found in The Illustrated Gaelic/English
Dictionary by Edward Dwely on p. 1010.
"inghean" means "daughter of ".
"fucadair" is found on [Black, 1946, p. 553]under the heading
"MacNucator". It is cited to mean "the fuller".
- Device:
- No conflict found.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Faoiltighearna Inghean Uí Dhuinn (New name, New device)
Per chevron throughout argent and purpure, a rose and a pomegranate
slipped and leaved proper, and a chalice Or.
- Name:
We have altered the original submission of "Faoilteigearna O'
Duinn" because the submitter had apparently misspelled the given name
and used the modern form of the surname.
"Faoiltighearna" is the Irish form of the English name
"Whiltierna", as found under the latter on [Woulfe, 1967, p.
54].
We have changed "O' Duinn" to "Inghean Uí
Dhuinn," following Talan Gwynek's example in "On Feminine
Patronymics in Gaelic" ([Amberdrake, 1996, p. 51]).
- Device:
- We are returning the device for poor style, speicifcally the use of three
different primary charges in a standard arrangement. While we could
alternately blazon it Argent, on a pile inverted throughout purpure
between a rose and a pomegranate proper, a chalice Or, a different
blazon does not remove the issue. See RFS VIII.1a.
This is also at or over the edge of complexity by the rule of thumb stated
in that rule; even ignoring incidental tinctures (such as the jewels on the
goblet and the barbing, seeding, slipping, etc), we have four tinctures (Or,
argent, purpure, and gules [or proper]) and either four charges (rose,
pomegranate, chalice, and pile) or three charges and a field
division.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE.
Patrice d'Cilla (Device correction)
Sable, a pegasus segreant argent in dexter chief a dove descendant gules
fimbriated argent.
- Name:
- The submitter's name has been registered by Laurel, according to the
Armorial in January 1980.
- Device:
The history of this device is unclear.
The submitter reports that her name and original device, Sable, in
base a pegasus rampant argent, in dexter chief a dove descending gules
fimbriated argent, were registered through the West in 6/75. Our file
copy of the Armorial: Arms, Devices, and Badges Registered in the Society for
Creative Anachronism and Ordinary Index to Charges So Registered (Karina of
the Far West, May XI [1976]) supports this assertion, and gives the
registration date as JUN 30, 1975.
The current armorial shows Sable, in base a horse passant argent, in
canton a dove descendant gules, fimbriated argent as being registered to
her in January 1980, with no record of the older registration.
It is the belief of the submitter that this submission represents her
original, intended, and registered device and that this was changed by person
or persons unknown to replace the pegasus with a horse. It is her desire to
have this form be her registered device.
DEVICE CORRECTION APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Seosaidh MacFaoilchéire (New badge)
(Fieldless) A wolf's head contourney within and conjoined in base to an
annulet argent.
- Name:
- Registered by Laurel, July 1996
- Badge:
- No conflicts found.
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Seosaidh MacFaoilchéire (New badge)
Sable, a bend sinister dancetty argent.
- Name:
- Registered by Laurel, July 1996
- Badge:
- No conflicts found.
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Oberdrachenfeld, Canton of (Dreiburgen)
Oberdrachenfeld, Canton of (Resub [Laurel] name, Resub [Laurel] device)
Or, two wyverns combatant vert, in base a tower gules within a laurel
wreath vert
- Name:
The canton's previous submission, "Drachenfeld, Canton of",
was returned by Laurel in Nov. 1996 for conflict with
"Drachenfels".
The submission was withdrawn at the submitting herald's request.
- Device:
- The submission was withdrawn at the submitting herald's request.
WITHDRAWN AT SUBMITTER'S REQUEST.
Steinsee, Canton of (Dreiburgen)
Steinsee, Canton of_warband name Steinwache (Resub [Laurel] name)
- Name:
The previous submission "Die Steinwache vom Steinsee" was
returned by Laurel in June 1996 because
The name means 'The Stone Guard (or Watch) of the Stone Lake';
the intended meaning of 'The Stone Guard of Steinsee' would be Die Steinwache
von Steinsee. However, no one was able to offer any reasonable interpretation
of the name. [Irreverent suggestion: petrified sentries? ]
"Steinwache" can be constructed from "stein" (the
German name of the village "Kamnik", a Slovenian town close to
"[c]astle ruins and church with fine frescoes" according to
[Seltzer, 1952, p. 903]) and "wache" meaning "watch" or
"guard." This produces the literal meaning "Stone Watch"
or "Stone Guard", as in the returned form, but with the obvious
interpretation of "the guard of the town of Stein".
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Dun Or, Barony of
Edith of York (New badge)
Per pale sable and gules, a thistle argent
- Name:
- The submitter's name, in this form, is on Caid's LoI dated 16 December
1996, as a name change from Edith of Warwick, which was registered in January
1992.
- Badge:
- This conflicts with the badge of Theresa de Foxton (Ansteorra 6/87),
Per bend embattled sable and gules, a thistle slipped and leaved
argent.
BADGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT.
Wintermist, Shire of
Aelfthryth Healfdene (New name)
- Name:
"Aelfthryth" is name of a queen of Eadgar (c. 1000) as found
under "AElfthryth" on [Searle, 1969, p. 23]. We have not altered
the spelling using the ligature.
"Healfdene" is cited (but undated) as an Anglo- Scandanavian
translation of 'half Dane' under "Haldane" on [Reaney, 1976, p.
162].
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.
Postmeeting
The serious portion of this chapter meeting ended by Nones, then...
Party, party!! (at least until Vespers :-)
The minutes of this chapter were massaged by Moucheture after Ghislaine
d'Auxerre and Christopher Leyland D'Eyncourt typed them and before Crescent
further mangled them.
In Service to Caid
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