[Note: These submissions appear on the Mar 2001 LoAR]
Crescent called the meeting to order at 11:16, completed at 15:50.
Three cheers for Mistress Selene, and Master Christopher!! 66.6% of this Reign's Pelicans are heralds.
We just had a collegium. We are looking bringing in a New professor at Antelope Valley College to teach a class. There will be an Old Irish Class, naming practices in Mid. Lithuania, Field Heraldry, Territorial Heraldry (required course for all territorial heralds), Heraldry Roundtable, Heraldic Ranks. We will have a room for consulting as well.
We held a road show at last collegium. Two and a half people attended. Crescent thinks it is possible that the general populace doesn't care about the submissions much, so he does not feel it behooves us to repeat this. Better service to our populace would be to have consultation available. Chevron adds that Collegium is experimenting with a flat $10 rate in Spring (Instructors pay $5). Instructors will still be fully reimbursed (with receipts.)
Our Hostess wishes to thank the heralds, especially Mistress Selene, for the very fine heraldic class for children which was taught at collegium. The comment "If it can be taught to 8 year olds, it can be taught to fighters."
Dun Or anniv. is next Saturday. Help would be greatly appreciated.
James was very happy with the consulting at GWW. Lots of submissions being processed today. Thanks to James, Eridana, Jeanne Marie,
Consulting and territorial heralds, please remember to put the locality (SCA branch, city and zip code) in which the submitter lives! Do this on the device form as well! Please remember to put the New forms in the folder with the old ones, if a folder exists.
The next KWHS will be June 1 - 3, 2001, in the Barony of Nordskogen (Northsheld, Middle), @ Double Tree Grand Hotel in Bloomington, Minn (across from the Mall of Americas). This is opposite Caid Coronation.
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Included in these minutes are the submissions from the Fall Collegium Road Show, 30-Sept-2000*
Submitted as Ambre Pursuivant
Ambres is a region in France, found in Dauzat, "Noms de Lieux", page 14. Crescent would prefer Ambre, the 12th century spelling of the river Amber, found in Ekwall, page 9, dated to 1191, but we are uncertain of Laurel's stand on registering river names as heraldic titles. We note that according to Ekwall, the word amber is etymologically descended from the Sanskrit word for "river".
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Argent, an oak sapling eradicated sable, on a chief azure a mullet argent and for augmentation, surmounting the Trunk an inescutcheon azure charged with four crescents conjoined in saltire, horns outward argent.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Quarterly azure and Or, two axes Or.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Azure, on a chevron Or between three beavers statant erect argent maintaining an ax gules.
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
"This letter is written to inform you that I have learned that my original device may have been released which was not of my choosing. Would you please retrieve my original device, "Per fess azure and purpure, on a fess fleury counter-fleury argent, a lozenge vert" and place it as my primary device. The device listed in the OP should also remain under my name but should be in secondary position."
FORWARDED WITH APPROVAL OF THE COLLEGE
Previous submission (Jamie MacKenzie) returned on the June 2000 LoAR for conflict with Sir James MacKenzie, Scottish cardiologist.
Jamie - documented in Withycombe p. 171 (sn James), but undated. Diminutive "in Scotland spelt Jamie". JameTesta de Neville dated to the 13th century. Black shows "Jamie" as a surname (Elizabeth Jamie) in 1623. The variant "Jame" is also found as a surname ("Robert Jame) in 1537" in [Black, p. 382].
Johnston, Placenames of Scotland, p.172 lists "Eilean Donan" as a header spelling, with variant spellings dated to 1425, 1503. This spelling is not dated.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Or, a lion couchant sable within 6 thistles in annulo proper
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Purpure, a bell and on a chief embattled or three quavers sable
Submitter does not allow major changes.
Marie - English spelling documented to 1189, Talon Gwynek, p. 105, KWHS AS XXIX, Reaney & Wilson p. 299, as part of a matronymic. Withycombe says 13c French given name (p. 28 of introduction). Submitting herald confirms submitter wants "Marie, not Maíre." Aoibeall - RfS II.5, biological mother's registered SCA name, Jana Aoibeall, registered 6/1986.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW
The submitter wants a male name and will not allow major changes. If the name must be changed, then he cares most about the sound. The submitter is willing to accept the spelling "de Bruis".
Phelan is documented from Maclysaght p. 245 and O'Corráin & Maguire p. 92 (sn Fáelán). Phelan is also found in OCM, 1981, p 92-93, under the header Faélan'. It is actually cited as OPhelan being derived from Faélan. Bruce is documented from Withycombe p. 55 de Bruce is found under Bruce, dated to 1274-1329. Also found in Reaney & Wilson p. 69.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Vert, a horse passant contourny on a chief urdy argent two roses purpure
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter wants a male name and is interested in having the name be authentic for 13th-14th century English.
Basil, Withycombe, p. 43. Longstaff , header spelling in Reaney & Wilson, p. 284, date to 1210. Also found in Dolan English Ancestral Names, p. 276.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter wants a male name and will not accept major changes. If the name must be changed he cares most about language/culture (13th century Norman).
Marcus dated to 1273 on p. 206 of Withycombe. le Strange is documented from Reaney & Wilson (3rd ed., hardcover) on p. 430 (sn Strange). Hugh le Strange is dated 1221.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
[fieldless] A dragonfly per pale argent and vert
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Submitted as Mariam æt West Seaxe
Mariam is found under Mary in Withycombe, page 211. It is a transliteration of the Greek Biblical name Μαριαμ [MU-alpha-rho-iota-alpha-mu] (from the Hebrew feminine name transliterated as Mrym). Unfortunately, Withycombe does not verify its usage in England. Rather, the form Miryam is used and dated to the 7th C. æt is the Anglo-Saxon word for at or from. West Seaxe is found under Wessex in Ekwall, page 507, dated to 871.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Per pale gules and sable three closed fetter locks Or
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Per pale sable and purpure, a unicorn's head erased argent, and on a chief embattled Or three roses gules barbed vert
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Azure, a sun within an orle argent
We cite: Isaac de Hugo, 5/92, Azure, an estoile of 8 rays within an annulet and a bordure all argent
"Were this on any other shape, there would be a definite difference between them. Only when shown on a roundel does this possibly conflict." Submitter intends this to be an orle, and is aware of what that means.
Note to artist: make the sun's rays much stronger.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Azure, an antelope's head erased within a bordure embattled Or.
NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Or, a serpent encircled vert, a bordure embattled azure.
The posture of the serpent is shown in Parker, p. 529, who describes it as encircled or involved. Crescent prefers the former to avoid confusion with the current SCA usage of serpents 'involved in annulo.'
Crescent requests the consulting herald inform the submitter that the bordure must be drawn wider.
ORDER NAME APPROVED (AS CHANGED) AND SENT TO LAUREL
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
[Fieldless] A quatrefoil gules, seeded Or
BADGE RETURNED FOR REDRAW
Argent, besom inverted sable.
RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
The submitter will not accept major changes.
Draga is a undated feminine name found in Wilfred Seibicke Historisches Deutches Vornamenbuch (de Amyter, Berlin, 1996, Band 1, p. 543). Found under Drogo in Withycombe, P. 89, Gothic. von means "of".
Falkenstein is documented in Brechenmacher, Vol. 1, p. 428 as a surname and locative. Wernherus dictus de Falkenstein is dated to 1281.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter will not accept major changes.
Louis is documented from Dauzat p. 398 as a French masculine given (baptismal) name and from Withycombe p. 195 under Lewis. Lewys is documented from Reaney & Wilson (3rd ed., hardcover) p. 278 under Lewis. William Lewys is dated to 1267.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Submitter allows no changes.
Rory is found in Black, page 699, dated to 1467. MacLean is the header spelling found in Black, page 536. Galloglas is an occupational byname, found in the OED, page 1108, but as the submitter has not permitted any changes, major or minor, we must return this. We recommend that he choose a period spelling for both of the last two name elements.
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Sable, a lion and on a chief argent two towers sable.
Submitted as Benedict Stonecrafter of Askrigg. He is interested in having his name be authentic for 12th-15th century English (Yorkshire/Danelaw).
Benedict is cited by Withycombe, p 46, dated to 490, and also attested in 1273.
The submitter checked the "will not accept major changes" box, but indicated in the consultation notes that Stonecrafter is intended as a play on the submitter's legal name [Mason], and he wishes to retain that meaning, and is willing to accept an alternate form such as "...'Stonewright' or other suggestion that puns with 'Mason'." Stonecrafter does not appear to be documentable, but Stonwright and Stonehewer appear undated in Dolan, J.R. English Ancestral Names, Clarkson & Potter, NY 1972, p. 100. Study into the construct [noun]+wright indicates its usage was likely used to denote an article made with no evidence that it was used to denote material worked with. (See Reaney, The Origin of English Surnames, pp 206-207.) The same text, p. 179, indicates the English term for Butcher to be Flesh-hewer. Bardsley, p. 719, shows Richard Stonhewer (from the history of Durham), and John Stonehewer, dated to 1605, and defines the name as an occupational by-name for a stone mason or quarryman. Askrigg is reported to be a significant village in Wensleydale, Yorkshire; the submitter provides photocopies of The Best of Britain Heritage Series: Wensleydale, by Dingwall and Hillery (Discovery Publishing Ltd: Middleton-in-Teesdale, Durham, unk.) which lists the village, noting that it is reported in the Domesday book as "Ascric". "Askrigg" is a header spelling in Ekwall, which dates the spelling "Askerigg" to 1287.
NAME APPROVED AS MODIFIED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Vert, on a cross quarter-pierced argent, four frogs vert
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Argent, five oriental bats in annulo, heads to center gules
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Per chevron throughout azure and argent, two chalices and a ship counterchanged
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Registered by Laurel as Deredere inghean Chananaich (note difference from submitted form) 12/99 via Caid. The submitter is interested in having a feminine name authentic for "sound". If the name must be changed she cares most about the sound. If the name change is approved, she wishes to release her currently registered name.
Sigrid is documented from Withycombe p. 269 and is dated to the 8th century.
Lornesdottir is a constructed byname. Lornes is documented in Black p. 438 and is dated to 1423. Dottir is the Anglo-Saxon ending meaning "daughter."
RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
Argent, two double-bitted axes in saltire sable surmounted by a brown bull's head cabossed proper
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Or, two natural panthers combatant sable and a bordure Vert
RETURNED FOR REDRAW
Per pale azure and vert, a griffin between three roses argent
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
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Bardsley, C. W. (1988). A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames. Heraldry Today, Ramsbury, Wiltshire, originally published (London) 1901.
Black, George F. 1946. The Surnames of Scotland: Their Origin, Meaning, and History. New York: The New York Public Library. Ninth printing, 1989.
Brechenmacher, Josef Karlmann. Etymologisches Woerterbuch der Deutschen Familiennamen. Limburg a.d. Lahn: C.A. Starke Verlag.
Dauzat, A. (1987). Dictionnaire Étymologique des Noms de Famille et des Prénoms de France. Larousse, Paris. Reviewed and augmented by Marie-Thérèse Morlet.
De Felice, E. (1986). Dizionario dei Cognomi Italiani. Arnoldo Mondadori Editore S.p.A, Milan, fourth edition.
De Felice, E. (1986). Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani. Arnoldo Mondadori Editore S.p.A, Milan.
Dolan, J.R. English Ancestral Names, Clarkson & Potter, NY 1972, p. 100.
Ekwall, Eilbert. 1960. The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names. Oxford University Press: Oxford. 4th (reprinted 1987)
Johnston, J. B. (1934) Place-Names of Scotland. London: John Murray 3rd ed.
MacLysaght, E. 1985. The Surnames of Ireland. Irish Academic Press: Dublin, sixth edition
Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire 1981. Gaelic Personal Names The Academy Press: Dublin.
Oxford University, editor 1971. The Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary. Oxford University Press, Oxford.
Reaney, P. H. (1967) The Origin of English Surnames, Rutledge and Paul, London.
Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. 1995. A Dictionary of British Surnames Oxford University Press, Oxford, third ed.
Seibicke, Wilfred (1996). Historisches Deutches Vornamenbuch. de Amyter, Berlin.
Talan Gwynek 1996 "On Feminine Patronymics in Gaelic" Caidan Heraldic and Scribal Symposium, AS XXX, Vol. II. pages 51-57. Caidan College of Heralds: Upland, CA.
Talan Gwynek's "A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records", Caidan Heraldic & Scribal Symposium, March 1996, V2, p
Withycombe, E. G. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names 1977. Third. Oxford University Press: Oxford.
Woulfe Patrick Sloinnte Gaetheal ir Gall: Irish Names and Surnames Genealogical Publishing Company 1967 Baltimore.
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