[Note: These submissions appear on the Feb 2002 LoAR; Thomas Ravenwood of Western Seas' pended item is on the Aug 2002 LoAR]
The meeting started at 11:11.
Future meeting dates are 10 June, 8 July, and 19 August.
Crescent noted that Potrero War is coming soon; the local herald, Thomas Brownwell, would appreciate assistance.
Crescent is seeking volunteers to write the Trumpet's Voice column in the Crown Prints; there is someone who is willing to do this, but a volunteer.
Crescent is considering the designation of a submissions herald, who would be responsible for converting the notes of the meeting into the minutes and the letter of intent. If you are interested, contact Crescent.
Territorial heralds are asked to remind their principals (barons, baronesses, seneschals, ...) of the need to get court business to Crescent in writing (including email) a week before the event.
Jeanne-Marie notes that Heatherwyne Anniversary is the day before the June meeting; she has crash space available for members of the College who wish to attend the event and stay over for the College meeting.
Dietmar noted that the College of Saint Gabriel is looking for active members of all skill levels.
Free Trumpet Press has announced that the 27th update to the Ordinary and Armorial is available.
Dame Elspeth's precedents are now updated through January 2001, and are available at the same URL as before.
Caid herald's web site is under reconstruction. Only staff who have given specific permission in writing will have any personal information (beyond the SCA name only) included. Provide permission to Morgan.
Field heralds are needed for Altavia Anniversary.
James of the Lake has obtained a copy of A.H. Smith's English Place-Name Elements; this is a common source for advanced research, and its addition to the available resources is welcome.
The recent Laurel letters returned several name submissions because the supporting documentation was not adequately summarized in the letter of intent. It is not sufficient to merely state that a name element is found at a particular place in a particular reference; what the reference says about the name must be summarized on the LoI. Submitted documentation should conform to this, as must notes in the minutes of the College.
The Order of the Gilded Antelope was returned for lack of evidence that the order name was formed in a period manner. It is not sufficient to show that the name elements are period; it must also be shown that the order name is formed in a period manner.
Vert, a seafox erect guardant between in chief two pots argent
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Gules, an oak tree fructed Or issuant from a mount vert
[CRESCENT notes that no discussion was entered in the minutes]
[CRESCENT notes that no discussion was entered in the minutes]
Or, a bear rampant sable, on a chief argent fimbriated gules three thistles proper
The submitter intends that if this device is registered, his previous device be released.
It is not permissible under the Society's rules to fimbriate a chief. Laurel precedent (Laurel Alison, Dec 86 and Aug 88) however this is blazoned, in appearance it includes a fimbriated chief, which is not permitted for Society usage. RFS VIII.3 limits fimbiration to simple geometric charges placed in the center of the field; while a chief is a simple geometric charge, it is not in the center of the field.
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE
Submitter considers Kamilah an acceptable alternate spelling of the submitted Kameelah. She considers the name to be a Moslem name meaning perfect. The Dictionary of Muslim Names
Submitter believes the byname Xahar ba Lenge to be a Persian byname meaning sister with half a load, based on the words sister and with from the English-Persion section, and lenge from the Persian-English section from Lambton, Persian Dictionary.
Since submitter does not provide, and the College was not able to provide, any evidence that Xahar ba Lenge (sister with half a load) is formed in a manner consistent with period practice in Persian, this name must be returned.
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
Azure, a wolf's head caboshed within three feathers in annulo, on a bordure argent six grenages gules enflamed Or
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Submitted as Uaine inghean Tannian
Uaine is found in (OCM, page 174). inghean is the Irish feminine patronymic. We have dropped this element after consultation with the submitter by phone, as it is incompatible with the Anglicized surname. Tannian is found in (Maclysaght, page 283), derived from the Gaelic name O'Tanaidheain.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Per pale vert and gules, a wolf passant and in chief three crescents argent
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Vert, a bull's head caboshed and a gore sinister argent
Submitted as House of the White Auroch
Cedric Myles Madoc was registered by Laurel in June '92. White is found in this spelling under definition 3 in the (OED, page 3764), and dates to 1550 with the modern meaning of the color white. Aurochs is also found in the (OED, page 142) which states that it is the obsolete spelling of "aurochse", derived from the Middle High German "ur-ochse" and the Old High German "ur-ohso" = "Urus Ox", a species of European ox which went extinct in the 17th C. The name "Urus" was used by Caesar. While the word is not dated in the submitted spelling, the OED attests that it was in use (not always correctly) in Early Modern German (we presume contemporary with Tudor English). This household name follows the same pattern as the inn signs "White Bull", "White Horse", etc. from (Colm Dubh, "English Inn & Tavern Names of the Middle Ages", KWHS AS XXXIII, page 169).
NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Per fess azure and argent, a compass star within a bordure counterchanged
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Gules, a wolf's head erased, on a chief Or three fleurs-de-lis sable
The submitter's previous name submission, Conrad von Würzburg was returned at the College's April meeting. [for conflict]
Submitter notes that Konrad is found in the late 15th century, noted in Pastoureau, p. 63, where a set of arms are identified as belonging to Konrad Grünenberg dating from the late 15th century. Bahlow/Gentry notes that Konrad (which is a header spelling is the Latin documentary form of the old German royal name Kunrad.
Marburg is a town in Germany, which has been in existance since medieval times. Submitter notes, based on Earl Steinbicker, Daytrips Germany (Mamaroneck, NJ: Hastings House), that the Colloquy of Marburg was held in 1529, thus implying that the name of the town was Marburg in period. The town name is also found in Columbia Lippincott Gazetteer, also known as Marburg an der Lahn; the town was known in the 12th century.
It is reasonably clear that the name is period, as Konrad von Marburg is found in Webster's Biographical Dictionary, where he is noted as being a Papal inquisitor and German priest, murdered near Marburg in 1233.
NAME RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
DEVICE PENDED FOR LACK OF NAME
ORDER NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Azure, five crosses bottany and a bordure engrailed argent
DEVICE PENDED UNTIL SIGNATURE RECEIVED
Gules, three annulets, one and two, Or, and on a base pointed argent a columbine flower azure
DEVICE PENDED AS NOTED
Per chevron azure and argent, a tyger argent and a stag's massacre proper
NAME AND DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
Argent, a bird displayed head to sinister sable maintaining in its dexter claw a sword and in its sinister claw a bow and a bordure azure ermined argent
Submitted as Dubheasa hÉalaighthe
Dubh Easa is found in (OCM, page 78) and is dated to before the 13th C. We were unable to document the single word form of the prenom without significantly changing the spelling so have opted to this less invasive change. We have added the feminine clan patronymic inghean uí. hÉalaighthe is derived from the masculine name Élodach/Élatach found in (OCM, page 85). We found the clan name O' hÉaluighthe in (Woulfe, page 561). Unfortunately, the addition of the patronymic is a "Major Change", which the submitter will not allow.
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Sable, on a pale argent between two swords a tree eradicated proper
Gustav is found as a given name under the Latin form Gustavus in Withycombe. It is also found in Seibicke page 247-8, under Gustav, with Gustav Adolf, King of Sweden, dated to 1594-1632 as an example.
Castle North is an SCA branch name, registered Apr 1983.
NAME APPEARS ACCEPTABLE, BUT IS PENDED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CORRECTION
(SUBMITTED ON OLD FORMS)
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Or, on an escutcheon sable a lizard tergient argent, all within a bordure dancetty gules
Submitted as Harold von Inseln
We have changed Harold to the German form Herold, found in (Bahlow, page 241), dated to 1323. von is the German locative preposition. Insel is a town in Germany, found in (Bahlow, page 270) under Inselmann. Bahlow asserts that Insel is a town near Soltau or Stendal. He does not date the name.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF SIGNATURE
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
Azure, a bend sinister rayonny on the upper edge between a tyger salient contourny and a equal armed cross couped Or
This is a rework of the name Kalila Janan al-Nasrin, returned by Laurel at her meeting of 20 July 1996, which said (in part) Assuming supporting documentation for Nasrin [as a place name] can be found, 'Khalila al-Nasriniyya' would be appropriately constructed.
Khalila is a feminine form of Khalil, which the submitter documents from Gandhi and Husain, The Complete Book of Muslim and Parsi Names, where it is shown in a list of given names, giving as examples of persons bearing the name the man to whom the first Arabic dictionary is ascribed; and a member of the Turki dynasty in 1378.
al-Nasiriniyya is locative byname, based on the hypothetical place name Nasrin. The submitter notes that the word Nasrin is the name of several flowers (two species of rose, rosa glandulifera and rosa alba; and a jonquil), according to Gandhi and Husain, op. cit.. The place name Nasirin is constructed, based on the examples Homs, Tus, and Tiz (found on a map from Atlas of World) which words are found in Gandhi and Husain, op. cit. as meaning the ephedra plant (among other meanings); new leaf or young grass (spelled Tizh); and a white mulberry. This appears to substantiate that this made up place name is formed in accordance with period practice for place names (per RFS II.2).
NAME AND DEVICE PENDED FOR ADMINISTRATION (TRANSCRIPTION TO NEW FORMS OR PERMISSION FROM LAUREL TO USE THE OLD FORMS)
Argent, on an escutcheon gules three hearts, points to center Or, all within a bordure indented sable
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR PRETENSE
Argent, a chevron embattled sable between three double-headed eagles gules
Mikhail is stated to be a Russification of Michael, documented as a given name to 1262-3 in Wickenden of Thanet, 3rd ed., p. 211.
Darm'ianovich is a patronymic, based on the given name Dam'ian, a masculine given name dated to 1596 by Wickenden of Thanet; the formation of the patronymic with -ovich is documented on page xxi, noting that it is the modern form and while it is found in period, it is the exception rather than the rule. On page xxiii, the discussion would appear to indicate that this form was popular in certain regions (Novgorod and Pskov), but by the 16th and 17th centuries this form was becoming restricted to the upper classes.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Or, a pale purpure overall a phoenix rising from a chalice and a bordure counterchanged
Submitter will not accept major changes.
The College was unable to find evidence supporting the use of Orion a given name of a human being in period. Accounts of the individual from Greek mythology for whom the constellation is named differ somewhat as to whether he was human or not; Bullfinch indicates that Orion was a giant and son of a god, Lemprière shows a number of variations, one of which would appear to make him human but the majority of which do not.
The surname Blackthorn, Blackthorne is found as a header spelling in Reaney and Wilson, p. 47. The dated period spellings are de Blakethorn, Blakthorn, and Blakethorn. Since the submitter's preferred spelling is a header spelling, we are forwarding the name in that spelling, although we are not able to date that specific spelling.
The name Blackthorne could also be constructed from elements found in Smith's English Place Name Elements which appears to support the surname form, and is found specifically as a place name on page 47 of Ekwall in the spelling Blackthorn. Separately, Thorne is found as a header spelling on page 467 (of Ekwall; several of the dated versions show a terminal e (in the form Torne, e.g. from the Domesday book). This appears to make the name a plausible variant spelling as a locative, and hence as a locative surname.
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR IDENTIFIABILITY (PER LAUREL PRECEDENT)
Sable, on a plate a tree proper, on a chief argent three lion's heads erased azure
NAME AND DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF SIGNATURE
Rosamond is a feminine given name used by the Normans, according to Withycombe, p. 258, dated to 1282.
de Crèvecoeur is a locative byname based on a place name in Normandy (found in Dauzat, p. 162, Reaney and Wilson, p. 115, and Columbia Lippincott Gazatteer, none of which date the name).
THE NAME APPEARS ACCEPTABLE, BUT MUST BE PENDED AS IT IS ON THE OLD FORMS
Sable, on a bezant a tree eradicated proper, and on a chief Or three stag's heads erased
Submitted as Tighearnach Cathawn Athdara
This name is Irish. Tighearnach is found in (OCM, page 170), dated to 1200's. Cathán is found in (OCM, page 47). Athdara is attested to mean "oak grove", but the submitter has supplied no documentation to support that assertion. We note that the use of two given names is unusual and uncommon in early Ireland.
NAME AND DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF SIGNATURE
Sable, a bend sinister between two grenades overall a sword proper, a bordure Or
Thomas is found as a masculine given name in Withycombe, p. 279-280, specifically Thomas in the Domesday Book, dated 1086.
Ravenwood is a constructed byname, based on the elements Raven and Wood, both based on entries in Reaney and Wilson. Submitter notes the surnames Ravenhill and Ravenshaw specifically (pp 372-373), and Broadwood (p. 66), Blackwood (p. 47), Hazelwood (p. 224) and, of most direct relevance, Hawkwood (p. 222; the specific spellings are de Haukwode, 1343, and de Hawkwod in 1351). We also note Ekwall's reference to Ravensthorpe.
Western Seas is an SCA Barony in which the submitter resides.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Purpure, a pale Or, overall a winged sea-horse erect contourny counterchanged
Bahlow shows Uta as a variant spelling under the header Ute. Drowsdowski also shows Uta as a variant spelling of the given name Ute (which is the header spelling), common by the 12th century, and dates Uta von Meißen as a Markgräfin living in the 11th century.
The surname Blackthorn, Blackthorne is found as a header spelling in Reaney and Wilson, p. 47. The dated period spellings are de Blakethorn, Blakthorn, and Blakethorn. Since the submitter's preferred spelling is a header spelling, we are forwarding the name in that spelling, although we are not able to date that specific spelling.
The name Blackthorne could also be constructed from elements found in Smith's English Place Name Elements which appears to support the surname form, and is found specifically as a place name on page 47 of Ekwall in the spelling Blackthorn. Separately, Thorne is found as a header spelling on page 467 (of Ekwall; several of the dated versions show a terminal e (in the form Torne, e.g. from the Domesday book). This appears to make the name a plausible variant spelling as a locative, and hence as a locative surname.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE
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