[Note: These submissions appear on the Jan 2003 LoAR]
Upcoming heraldry meetings are scheduled for May 19, June 2, July 28, Aug. 25, and Sept. 15. Meetings are tentatively scheduled for: Oct. 6, Nov. 3, and Dec. 15.
Introductions all around today include favorite colors.
We're moving!!! We give our heartfelt thanks to Eirikr and Astriðr. The new meeting place will be Jeanne-Marie's, and we will be moving after this meeting. Everyone who can, is encouraged to pitch in and help with the move.
Crescent also requests that all heralds remain with the meeting through the last submission. Some individuals must occasionally leave the meeting early, and that is inevitable, but unless there is a pressing need, please stay for the entire meeting as that will lessen the burden on those few who remain through the last few submissions.
Every territorial herald is required to be warranted. This includes an "Agreement to Serve" form signed by your Baron, Baroness and Seneschal, and a photocopy of your membership card. These must be in by Crown Tournament next Saturday, April 20.
Crescent encourages everyone to sign up for the caid_heralds electronic mailing list. It is an excellent arena for getting information, answers to heraldic questions, etc.
We would like to host the Known World Heraldic Symposium 2003. We have a copy of Trimaris' successful packet as an example of what our bid should look like. Crescent would like 3 or more bids from us so he can make a reasonable offer to host the KWHS here in Caid.
Crescent brought up the venerable Pursuivant Extraordinary "Quiz", which many individuals present have taken (all 3 or 4 hours of it). The idea of creating an exam which is only 4 or 5 questions long is discussed. Should all heralds who wish to be promoted to Pursuivant be required to take a test? Please forward all discussions to Crescent (rational arguments please). There is apparently no printed article which indicates the necessary requirements for each rank. Cornet is for any person who shows an interest in heraldry. Pursuivant is for those who have put in a quantity of time and effort and are knowledgable. Herald is reserved for the Kingdom's most senior heralds, in particular Crescent, Dolphin, and former Crescents.
A reminder that reports must be produced for all events, even those where no awards are presented. Reports can be sent electronically to .
Lyondemere is holding a Pas d'Armes tournament. Lachlann solicits aid for the day, but notes that there will not be standard heraldic introductions of the fighters. Any combattants may, if they wish, "hire" the services of a herald to introduce them onto the field. Crescent applauds the Pas tournament style for its period panoply and heraldic display; it is a style that we should encourage.
Draft precedents are available at http://home.earthlink.net/~mranc. François' precedents are current through Oct. '01.
As a reminder, you may e-mail summaries of all submissions to Jeanne-Marie 3 days prior to each CoH meeting (). Copies may also be faxed to her at [phone # suppressed for privacy].
Argent, a dragon contourny azure between a chief checky argent and azure and a base dovetailed azure
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter will not accept major changes and wants a feminine name. If the name must be changed she cares most about the meaning, which she desires to be "Aliyah, daughter of the horseman".
No documentation was provided. We have found Aliyah on p. 9 in Hamid, Azieza. The Book of Muslim Names. London: MELS, 1986.
Faris is found as a given name meaning "horseman, knight" on p. 34 of Hamid. In his discussion of variations in transliterations on p. 3, the author notes that "the long vowel i may be rendered ee or ie...". We therefore feel that the transliteration of Farees requested by the submitter is a reasonable spelling.
bint is a Arabic feminine patronymic marker "daughter of", and al is an Arabic article "the".
Submitted as Aliyah bint el Farees, we have corrected the article.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter desires a feminine name and will accept all changes.
Branwen is listed as a feminine given name on p. 31 of Complete Anachronist # 66, "A Welsh Miscellany" by Heather Rose Jones.
March, meaning "horse" is found on p. 33 of CA #66. It is also found as an undated heading on on p. 298 of R&W with the dated examples William de la Marche 1295, and Hugo atte Marche 1349. Under the heading March on p. 513, Bardsley gives Henry le March 1273, and Edward Marche 1584.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Bendy azure and argent, three roundels conjoined two and one counterchanged
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFIABILITY
The submitter wants a masculine name and will accept no changes. The submitter's legal name is Jordon Marlbrough. However, no paperwork was provided to document that fact.
Jordan is dated to 1273 as a heading on p. 180 in Withycombe, but not in the desired spelling Jordon. R&W give Jordon as an undated alternate spelling under the heading Jordan.
Marlborough is listed on some unspecified page in Ekwall under the heading Malborough stating identical names. Dated spellings include Mallberge 1270 and Merlberg 1275.
NAME PENDED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
Argent, a knight armed cap-à-pie maintaining a mace and a shield mounted on a boar passant sable and a bordure vert
The submitter allows all changes and cares most about an unspecified language/culture.
Jossaerand is found under the heading Josse on p. 346 in Dauzat's Noms et Prenoms, where it is noted as a French personal name acquired from Germany.
de is a French locative preposition meaning "from".
Troyes is found under the heading Troy, Troyes on p. 579 in Dauzat's Noms et Prenoms.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Argent, a bend sinister azure between two mermaids in their vanity Or tailed and crined azure
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
No boxes on the form were checked to indicate preferences.
Submitted as Anya Von Regensberg, no documentation was provided and none could be found for the given name in any of the resources of the College. Since the byname is German, we have changed the given name to the German Anna, which is found in Talan Gwynek's "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm).
The locative preposition von should be lower case, not upper case.
Regensburg is a city in Germany found on p. 1566 of CLG, with chapels and abbey dating to the 7th C. It is also found as an undated heading on p. 388 of Bahlow's DGN. Brechenmacher, v. 2, p. 384, also includes the adjectival forms Regensburger: Conr. Regenspurger 1322 and Felix Regensburger 1414. Finally, the Encyclopædia Britannica (1955 ed., vol. 19 p. 69) a pre-Roman settlement called Radesponda was chosen by the Romans for their center of power on the upper Danube. It later became the seat of the dukes of Bavaria and a focus for the spread of Christianity; St. Emmeran founded a abbey there in the middle of the 7th century and St. Boniface established the bishopric about 100 years later. Though it counts for naught with regards to documentation, Crescent has been to the city on a number of occassions and has photographic evidence of its medieval past.
NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL
No boxes on the form were checked to indicate preferences.
Gabrielle is found on p 273 in Dauzat's Noms et Prenoms as a feminine form of the heading Gabriel. Under the heading Gabriel on p. 181 of R&W Gabriele Spryg is dated to 1275.
la Belle is French for "the beautiful". On p. 352, Dauzat says that Labelle is dervied from "la belle". The masculine form le Bel is dated to 1200 on p. 31 of R&W under the heading Bell.
While it is a shame to return such a nice name, we have found an SCA conflict: Gabrielle la Belle (June '00).
NAME RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Sable, a roundel between in fess two ravens respectant all between two bars couped Or
The submitter's current device Argent, a quill pen and a sword in saltire gules, on a chief embattled sable a compass star Or was registered in Dec. 1998 and is currently associated with the name Snorri hrafnfæðir. If this submission passes, he wishes the old device to be released.
A name change to Helgi hrafnfæðir, was accepted at the January 2002 CoH meeting. His previous submission, Sable, a roundel within two pallets couped between two ravens respectant Or, was returned at that meeting for slot machine heraldry. This submission has solved that problem with two types of co-primary charges between a pair of secondaries.
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter is interested in a masculine name and will accept no changes. If the name must be changed, he cares most about an unspecified meaning.
Robert is a heading on pp. 254-255 of Withycombe, where Robert(us) is dated to 1086 (DB). Black also lists the name under the heading Robertson on p. 695, with the name William Robertson (fils Robert) dated to 1371.
Wright is a heading on pp. 824-825 in Black, where Richard dictus Wright is dated to 1342.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter's primary name was registered in Oct. '95. He is interested in a masculine name and will not accept minor changes, but will accept major changes.
The submitter claims Marcellus to be the first Pope of the Roman Church. [He wasn't.] According to the Enyclopædia Britannica (1955 ed., vol. 14 p. 864), Marcellus I succeeded as pope in May 308, was banished from Rome in 309, and died later the same year. Marcellus II (Marcello Cervini) was born in May 6, 1501 and elected Pope April 9, 1555. He served as president of the Council of Trent before his death on April 30, 1555. Under the heading Marcellus on p. 205, Withycombe notes that "In England Marcellus has been used, very rarely, since the 16th C" and that there were two saints named Marcellus; a 1st C Roman martyr and a 4th C Pope.
von is a German locative preposition meaning "from".
Drachenklaue is a German byname meaning "dragon claw". The submitter makes reference to Ekwall (4th ed. p. 150 under Drakelow) Dracan hlawe 942. Also, Bahlow's DGN, p .76 under Dhron? mentions Draconus as a 4th century name. Page 331 of Merriam Webster's Geographical Dictionary, 3rd ed. gives Drachenfels as a peak in Siebengebirge, Germany. (Crescent notes: It's a hill on the Rhine south of Bonn. I've been there.)
Recent precedent allows the registration of Drachenklaue:
...the epithet byname Drackenhand is dated to 1367 in Brechenmacher (s.n. Drachenhand). The logic that a parallel epithet Drachenklaue could have existed allowed the registration of Katerina Drachenklaue in November 1997. [Aleksandra Drachenklaue, 08/01, A-Ansteorra]
The name was submitted as Marcellus von Drachenklaue. There is no indication that Drachenklaue takes a locative. We are forwarding the submission without the locative, which is a major change that the submitter allows. Upon further consultation with Crescent, the submitter gave verbal approval of the change.
NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Or, a raven contourny gules and a base rayonny sable
The submitter's name was registered as Mary of Mull in June '00 with the comment:
Submitted as Mary Catherine of Mull, she wishes an authentic 13th-15th century name. Since double given names were not used in Britain in that time period we have dropped the second one.
This is technically not a resubmission since the name was registered in accordance with the preferences given on the submission form. We believe this is a case where the change was greater than the submitter expected and should be treated as a resubmission. (This is under discussion from the December 2001 CL). The submitter is no longer requesting an authentic name. She wishes a feminine name, and if the name must be changed she cares most about the sound.
Her previous device, Or, a crow contourny sable, a base rayonny gules, was returned by Laurel in June 2000 with the comment:
Conflict with Suzanne of Ravenhill, reblazoned elsewhere in this letter, Or, a raven contourny sable maintaining a broken tilting spear banded sable and gules. There is a CD for the addition of the base, but no CD for the removal of the maintained charge.
The new submission conflicts with Dennis Landhammer (Sep. '90), Or, a cardinal close to sinister gules within a bordure invected sable. There is a single CD for changing the peripheral charge from a bordure to a base.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Sable, a sword surmounted by a horse's head couped within a bordure argent
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
[Fieldless] A compass star quarterly argent and azure
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
[Fieldless] A daisy azure seeded Or
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Or, on a trimount enhanced purpure a compass star Or
The submitter desired a name of female gender and will not accept any changes.
Tatiana wrote an extensive "cover sheet" for her documentation, including precedents in favor of names combining Russian and French. References were included from Academy of St. Gabriel reports 113 (for Tatiana), and 625 & 1462 (for Foix). Also included was a historical article that refers to an 11th C. marriage proposal from Henry I of France to Anna of Kiev excerpted from a Ukranian daily newspaper The Day No.36 September 28, 1999 (http://day.kiev.ua/DIGEST/1999/36/culture/cul1.htm). Apparently, no bibliography was provided for this article.
Tatiana is found under the heading Tat'iana in "Dictionary of Period Russian Names" by Paul Goldschmidt (http://sca.org/heraldry/paul/t-u.html). "Vars: Tatiana (martyr). Died in 225."
This device is drawn as something part way between a trimount, per fess indented, and some type of chief. Possible conflict with Constans Erikson (Oct '90), Purpure, a compass star within a bordure embattled Or. If this is a chief, there is only a single CD for changing the peripheral ordinary.
Possible conflict with Martin of the Fallen Star (Nov '73?), Purpure, in base a mullet of twelve points Or. If this is a field, there is a single CD for changes to the field.
This cannot be blazoned as a mountain, based on Bruce's predecent: "Mountains, as variants of mounts, should be emblazoned to occupy no more than the lower portion of the field. (Barony of Blackstone Mountain, September, 1993, p. 10)"
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW
[Fieldless] On a mountain couped purpure a compass star Or
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Sable, in pale a lizard Or and an anchor Or winged argent
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Argent pellety sable, a bulls head cabossed gules
This same device was returned at kingdom in Jan. 2000 for redraw with the comment:
The pellets are so large, and the bull's head is almost completely on one pellet that the contrast between the red and black is insufficient. Please draw the pellets smaller, using the form of semy in which they are randomly scattered.
The submitter has included another $10 as he thinks this is beyond our free-resubmission period.
This field is not pellety, but looks more like the coloration of a dalmation. The black markings should be circles. The red should be a heraldic gules, not a brownish red.
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW
The submitter wants "Angel the wild (animal)" in Spanish appropriate for the 16th Century.
Angel is documented from Juliana de Luna's "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/) where Angel appears 4 times.
la fiera appears to mean "wild beast" in Collins Concise Spanish Dictionary. It also means "cruel" and "harsh".
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Argent, in sinister chief an escarbuncle sable and on a gore purpure a dachshund sejant erect contourny Or
The submitter is interested in a feminine name, authentic for 10th century Ireland.
Brighid is found under the heading Brigit on p. 36 of ÓC&M, where it is listed as the modern form. There are 15 saints named Brigit. ÓC&M note:
The name Brigit did not come into common use in Ireland until the modern period but as Máel Brigte and Gilla Brigte 'servant of St Brigit' it was much used in the medieval period.
Mhor is the lenited form of the heading Mór found on p. 139 of ÓC&M. Mór is a feminine name and ÓC&M note that "In the tenth century, two queens of Ireland bore the name...". Later citations include "Mór, daughter of Mac Cába, who died in 1527" and "Mór, daughter of O Carroll, who died in 1548". Note that this is also an epithet. At the following URL, (http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#descriptivebyname) the article "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" by Sharon L. Krossa includes the comment:
- The standard way to form a name using a descriptive adjective byname for women is:
- <single given name> <descriptive adjective (always lenited with certain exceptions)>
- which means
- <descriptive adjective> <given name>
- For example:
- Dearbhorgaill Mhór
- which means
- Big Dearbhorgaill (or, fully Anglicized, Big Dervorgilla)
inghean is a Gaelic patronymic marker meaning "daughter of"
uí Fhlaithbhertaig is found under the heading Flaithbertach (the early form of the name) on p. 104 of ÓC&M, which notes "From Flaithbertach mac Eimín, who probably flourished in the tenth century, descend the Uí Fhlaithbertaig (O Flahertys), who once ruled as kings of Connacht." Woulfe has Ó Flaithbheartaigh as a heading on p. 529.
Submitted as Brighid Mhor inghean ui Fhlaithbhertaig, the name was changed to Brighid Mhor inghean uí Fhlaithbeartaig.
NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR A CHARGED GORE
The submitter wants an early (<1000) French name.
Constance is found on p. 72 in Withycombe which states that it came from France after the Norman Conquest and is dated to 1273 in England.
Lisette is found as an undated diminutive of the heading Elizabeth on pp. 99-100 of Withycombe. Lisette is dated to 1528 in "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France" by Talan Gwynek. (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/latefrenchfem.html)
According to precedent "Unmarked matronymics are found in English, so this name may be viewed as a given name + matronymic. [Astrith Alexandra, 08/01, A-Trimaris]." While not necessarily authentic for French, this name should be registerable as an English given name with an unmarked metronymic.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
The submitter's name was approved and forwarded to Laurel after the Jan. '02 CoH meeting. The submitter wants a ship name authentic for 16th Century Spain (Castillo/Lyon). He wants ship's name to be feminine. The submitter believes that the name means "Mistress (Lover) of the Sea of Sandy Grounds".
Amante appears to mean "lover" in Collins Concise Spanish Dictionary
Mar appears to mean "sea" ibid.
Arenal appears to mean "sandy spot" ibid. The submitting herald also notes "I have also found a 'Parque Regional Salinas y Arenales de San Pedro del Pinatar' which appears to translate as "Regional Park - Salt Mines and Sandy Grounds".
No evidence was found that this is a period formation for the name of a Spanish ship. The submitter should be informed that it is doubtful that period Spanish would have used an apostrophe.
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION OF PERIOD FORMATION
Vert, on a cross moline disjointed a sun Or
If this submission is registered, her current device, Azure, in fess a mouse sejant erect contourny argent supporting a chalice Or, registered in Oct. '95, is to be released.
This device is almost completely unrecognizable, and must be returned. The arms of a cross Moline disjointed must be connected pairwise, not drawn fitchy.
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFIABILITY
Per pale purpure and argent, a white calla lily and a purple calla lily proper stems crossed in saltire
If the name must be changed, the submitter cares more about the meaning(?) and accepts all changes.
Nikolai is found on p. 237 of Wickenden 3rd ed., dated to 1291.
Demon is found on p. 64 of Wickenden 3rd ed., dated to 1330. Page xxii of Wickenden 3rd ed. shows the formation of a patronymic: If Anton becomes Antonov, then Demon should become Demonov.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Argent, on a sun gules a mask of comedy Or conjoined in bend to a mask of tragedy argent
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Per pale and per chevron azure and argent, a chevron checky argent and sable between two fleurs-de-lys Or and two single-headed chess knights sable
Submitted as Mathias du Martgarten at the Sep. '01 meeting, it was returned for lack of documentation of the byname. The same device was returned for redraw at that meeting. The submitter wants a name of male gender, authentic for 14th C. France. If it must be changed he cares most about the sound, and will allow any changes.
The submitter claims that "Mathias is variation of the name Matthew which is part of my mundane name." That's fine, but the mundane name allowance only allows the exact spelling of one's mundane name. Matthias is found under the heading Matthew on pp. 213-4 of Withycombe. Within this entry Mattheus is dated to 1086 and Matheus to 1166, 1273, and 1316. Matthias is one of the spellings of the heading, but apparently dates to the 17th century (Matthias was used in the Authorized Version of the Bible). Webster's Biographical has several people named Matthias dated to period - Maattias, Holy Roman Emperor 1612-19, Matthias Corvinus, King of Hungary 1458-1490 (Mátyás Hollós). Upon further consultation with Crescent, the submitter gave verbal approval to change the given name to the documented form Matthias.
The submitter did not provide any documentation for the byname, but asserts that "Maldegem is the name of a city in Belgium just north of the French bordure [sic]." The website "International Civic Heraldry" (http://www.ngw.nl/int/bel/m/maldegem.htm) notes
The arms were granted on September 27, 1909. The arms are derived from the old arms of the Lords of Maldegem. The first known arms of a Lord of Maldegem date from 1307. Philips, Lord of Maldegem, used a seal with a knight holding a shield with a cross and 12 merles. In the Gelre Roll of Arms from the early 14th century the arms of the Lords of Maldegem are shown as gold, with a red cross and 12 red merles.
NAME (AS CHANGED) AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
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