Minutes of the 6 October 2002 Meeting
[Note: These submissions appear on the April 2003 LoAR]
Notes and Announcements
The next heraldry meetings are scheduled for Nov. 3 and Dec. 15.
All territorial heralds are required to submit a quarterly report. They are
due at the middle of the month, so please try to get them to Crescent in the
next week or so. E-mail is fine, but get them in as soon as possible.
Crescent requests that all court business for Coronation and Queen's Champion
be e-mailed to him a week or so before the event so that it can be scheduled on
the agenda. When your group is called into court, it is not necessary to ask
leave of the Crown to approach. The herald is acting as voice of their
Majesties, and when he says to approach, you can assume their Majesties
approve. Please encourage a small entourage to approach the dais. Other members
of the populace are welcome to show their support by standing in place. If your
group is making a presentation that includes a number of small items, please
encourage them not to take out each and every item in the presentation basket.
This applies to presentations at any court, but especially at long courts.
Their Highnesses Gerhart and Una appreciate period presentation,
authenticity, solemnity, and decorum. Please keep inappropriate joking and
levity to a minimum. The herald who runs court is merely a voice. While part of
our job description is to act as a Master of Ceremonies, which is
not to say we should act in the same manner as the M.C. at a
Dean Martin celebrity roast. Much like a well-trained butler, when we are doing
our job well we should be invisible. All the attention should go to their
Majesties, and our job is to help them look good.
As a reminder, here are Jeanne Marie's house rules. Drinks are allowed in the
Living Room. If you want to set a drink on the wooden furniture, please use
coasters. Food is to stay in the kitchen/dining room area. Sodas are available
for 50¢ from the mini-fridge in the garage. Photocopies are 10¢ for
all copies not requested by the College. Extra file copies should be in the
territorial folders in the file box. Please check your folder each month and
keep it empty.
The Known World Herald Symposium for 2003 will be held in St. Louis, MO, on
the first weekend of June. That is the same weekend as Caid's Coronation, so
you have to choose one.
* = Crown Tourney submission; † =
Collegium submission
Altavia, Barony of
* Geneviève d'Orléans - New Device:
Vert, on a bend sable fimbriated between three fleurs-de-lys a crescent
argent.
The submitter's name was registered in January 2001.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Angels, Barony of
* Beatrix von Köln - New Name and Device:
Per fess argent and gules, on a double-headed eagle sable nimbed
maintaining a sword and a Latin cross elongated to base, a cross formy
Or.
The submitter is interested in a feminine name authentic name for 16th C.
German and if the name must be changed, she cares most about the
language/culture. Ironically, she will not allow any
changes.
Many references to Beatrix are found in Chronik zur
Geschichte der Stadt Köln - Band 1: von den anfägen bis 1400, by
Fuchs, (Peter. Köln: Greven Verlag.) An entry for März 30, 1068 on p.
108 lists a "Markgräfin Beatrix". An entry for April
22, 1164 is found on p. 131: "Gemahlin Beatrix zum zweiten Mal
zum Kaiser krönen". On p. 133 is an entry for Okt. 2, 1165:
"Kaiserin Beatrix in Köln zum Erzbischof
geweiht" and the entry for Mai 29, 1167 on p. 134 "Gemahlin
Beatrix zur Kaiserin". The entry of Juni 16, 1269 on p. 234 also
lists Beatrix as does the entry for Aug 1, 1331 on p. 270.
Köln is a city in Germany that dates back to Roman
times when it was a colony, hence the name.
The device is clear of Arion Hirsch von Schutzhundheim (07/01),
[Fieldless] On a double headed eagle sable two furisons palewise flat to
center Or with a CD for changes to the field and another for changing the
type and number of the tertiary charges.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Boethius, College of
Brynhildr Vilhjálmsdóttir - New Name and
Device:
Per saltire purpure and vert, a wolf's head couped to sinister between
three roundels argent.
The submitter is interested in a feminine name.
Brynhildr is found as a feminine given name on p. 9 of Geirr
Bassi.
Vilhjálmsdóttir is a patronymic formed using
the guidelines on p. 17 and the given name Vilhjámr, which is found on
p. 16 of Geirr Bassi.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
† Ceara inghean Eirnín - New Name
The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed
she cares most about the language/culture and she will not accept major
changes.
Ceara is found under the heading Cera on p.
50 of ÓC&M. It is the post-1200 spelling, and there are three virgin
saints of this name.
inghean is a post-1200 patronymic prefix meaning
"daughter of".
Eirnín is found under the heading
Erníne on p. 89 of ÓC&M. It is the post-1200
spelling, and there are eleven saints of this name. We do not know whether or
not this surname lenites, but believe it does not. We will rely upon the
superior knowledge of the College of Arms to correct this element if
necessary.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Isolde filia Edwardis - New Name
The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed,
she cares most about the meaning, Isolde daughter of Edward.
Isolde is found under the heading Isolda on p. 166 of
Withycombe, where it is dated to the 15th C.
filia is a Latin patronymic meaning "daughter
of".
Edwardis is found on p. 150 of R&W under the heading
Edward dated to 1279.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Poll na Gainmhe, Canton of (Calafia)
† Arthur Red - New Device:
Argent, a bear rampant and on a chief gules three Latin crosses formy
argent.
The submitter's name was registered in June 2000.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
† Hans Schneckenburger - New Name and Device:
Per pale gules and Or, two castles counterchanged.
The submitter is interested in a masculine name. If the name must be changed
he cares most about the language/culture and he will accept all changes.
Hans is found as a heading on p. 210 of Bahlow/Gentry, where
he states "sh. f. of Johannes, popular f.n. in the Middle Ages".
Submitted as Schneckenburg, Schneckenburger is
found as an undated heading on p. 543 of Brechenmacher where the spelling
Sneccenburg is dated to 1180. We were unable to document the name in
the desired spelling. There is a town called Schneckenberg,
but we chose to form a true locative by adding the suffix-er,
believing this to be a smaller change than adding the prepositional element
von.
This device conflicts with Gareth Nikodemos Somerset (07/99), Per pale
gules and Or, three towers counterchanged, with a single CD for changing
the number of charges.
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for
conflict.
Saint Artemas, College of (Calafia)
† Alvar Dax - New Device:
Azure, a dragon and a coney combatant argent.
The submitter's name appears on Caid's Oct. 25 LoI.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
† Seraphina Sacheverell - Laurel Resub. Device:
Per pale argent and sable, a pale offset gules between in bend sinister a
standing seraph and a cross of Jerusalem counterchanged.
The submitter's name was registered in April 2002. Her previous device,
Per pale and per chevron gules, Or, sable, and argent, three Jerusalem
crosses counterchanged argent and sable, was returned by Laurel in April
2002 for having a non-period field division.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Summergate, Canton of (Calafia)
† Avery de la Marre - New Name
The submitter will not accept major changes. No other boxes are marked.
Avery is a masculine given name attested under the heading
Dace on p. 227 in Bardsley where Avery de Dayce is
dated to 1273.
del Marre is found under the heading Marre
on p. 299 of R&W where William del Marre is dated to 1302. The
submitter would prefer de la Marre, but will accept the attested
del Marre if necessary.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Carreg Wen, Shire of
Johann von Magdeburg - New Device:
Per pale azure and argent, in fess a portcullis and a maunch
counterchanged.
The submitter's name was registered in May of 2001 (via the Middle).
This device violates R.f.S. XI.3 - Marshalling, which states in part:
Such fields may be used with identical charges over the entire
field, or with complex lines of partition or charges overall that were not used
for marshalling in period heraldry.
Device returned for marshalling.
Darach, Shire of
Lorenz Wieland - New Name
The submitter desires a name authentic for 15th C. Alsatian and permits minor
changes.
Lorenz appears in "Late Period German Masculine Given
Names" by Talan Gwynek
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/germmasc.html),
which dates the name to 1451-1500. The name is also found as an undated heading
on p. 343 of Bahlow. In addition, we found the name as an undated heading in
Brechenmacher.
Wieland is found as a heading on p. 611 in Bahlow/Gentry,
which dates this name to 1341. Two other variants date from the 14th century as
well.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Lucia da Silva - New Device:
Or, three piles on point gules surmounted by a galleon under sail
sable.
The submitter's name was accepted at the August 2002 CoH meeting and appears
on Caid's Oct. 25 LoI.
We believe this is clear of Cyneric Dracaheorte (06/92), Or, three piles,
two from chief and one from base gules, overall a reremouse sable. We
argue that there is a CD for changing the orientation of all of the piles, and
another for the change of type of the overall charge.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Darchester, Shire of
Darchester, Shire of - Laurel Name Appeal and Resub.
Device:
Sable, a hunting horn within a laurel wreath Or.
The Shire is appealing the return of the name Darchester. If the
appeal is not accepted, they will accept the name Darton instead. The
group name Darchester was returned on the April 2002 LoAR with the
comment:
This name is an auditory conflict with Dorchester, a market
town and municipal borough and the county town of Dorsetshire, England. As
Dorchester has its own entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica, it is
protected. Since designators (Shire of in this case) are transparent
for conflict purposes, the only difference between Dorchester and
Darchester is in the initial vowel and does not give enough difference
in pronunciation between these two names.
A synopsis of the argument provided by the submitting herald follows. They
argue that the initial vowel might just barely give enough difference in
pronunciation. In particular, they believe that the CoA describes two standards
of difference for names: a higher standard of difference required between
SCA-registered names, and a lower standard of difference required between a
proposed SCA name and either a mundane name or an SCA name where the registered
owner has given permission to conflict.
They also submit that in the dialects commonly spoken in Australasia there is
significant aural difference between the open vowel sound represented in the
first syllable of Darchester, (roughly "da") and the closed
vowel of the first syllable of Dorchester (roughly "daw").
They therefore ask the College to reconsider its decision returning the group
name Darchester.
When the heralds in attendance at the meeting (~ 20) were queried, a majority
abstained from voicing an opinion, while the remainder were split between
supporting and not supporting the appeal.
If it is the judgment of the College of Heralds that Darchester is
not a registerable name, the officers of the shire have signed a declaration
that they would be willing for the group to be known henceforth as
Darton.
Darton is an English name of the common form "descriptor +
-ton". "Dar-" could be derived either from the
location of the settlement on the river Dearo/Darrow, or because it is
associated with an enclosure for deer (Reaney, p. 154).
"-ton" is derived from OE "-tun"
"village" (Reaney, p. 39, 59, etc.).
The proposed name of Darton is identical to the name of a town in
England, south of Barnsley in Yorkshire (q.v. Reaney, p. 154; giving the
deer-enclosure derivation). This town, however, is not of such significance
that it is mentioned in the main general encyclopaedias.
This device conflicts with Erinlin Aldhelm (11/01), Sable, a hunting horn
within a bordure Or, with a single CD for changing the type of secondary.
We suggest that the submitters ask for permission to conflict.
Appeal forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.
Gyldenholt, Barony of
† Sioban ingen Camsroin - Name Change from:
Siobhàn inghean an Camsroin
The submitter's current name, Siobhàn inghean an Camsroin,
was registered in April 2002. The submitter will accept no changes. No other
boxes are marked. If this name is accepted, she wishes to release her old
name.
Siobhán is found as a feminine given name under the
heading Sibán: Siobhán on p. 165 of
ÓC&M, which says:
This is a borrowing of Jehane or Jehanne, a French
feminine form of John, which came into favour in the twelfth century
and was brought into Ireland by the Anglo-Normans.
We found no documentation for Sioban without the accent.
Unfortunately, without that evidence we are forced to return this, since the
submitter allows no changes. We recommend that the submitter change the name to
one of the documentable forms or document the current spelling.
ingen is the early feminine patronymic prefix meaning
"daughter of".
Camsroin is found on p. 128 of Black under the heading
Cameron, which says:
The middle Gaelic genitive form is found in Macvurich as
Camsroin, while the MS. of 1467 has the form Gillacamsroin,
and Camronaich is the adjectival form found in the Book of the Dean of
Lismore.
Name returned for lack of documentation.
Heatherwyne, Shire of
Ciarnat ingen Dáire - New Name
The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed
she is must interested in the sound and language/culture (Irish Gaelic,
pre-1200), and she will not allow major changes.
Ciarnat is a heading on p. 52 of ÓC&M,
which says "This is the female form of Ciaran, the most famous bearer of
the name being Ciarnat, mistress of the legendary King Cormac mac
Airt."
ingen is the early feminine patronymic prefix meaning
"daughter of".
Dáire is a masculine name found as a heading on p. 68
of ÓC&M, which says it is "one of the commonest names in Irish
legend and mythology." there is a Saint Dáire whose feast day is 20
Dec. ÓC&M also state "the name occurs occasionally among the
learned family of Ó Bruaideda." the submitter requests that the
name be lenited and placed in the genitive as necessary. We note that the
D does not lenite in early period names.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Lorccán ua Conchobair - New Name
The submitter is interested in a masculine name authentic name for late 10th
C. Irish. If the name must be changed he cares most about the language/culture,
and he will not accept major changes.
Lorrcán is found as a heading on p. 124 of
ÓC&M. It is the early spelling.
ua is an Irish relationship marker meaning "grandson or
descendent of".
Conchobair is the genitive form of Conchobor, found in
Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasvryn's article "100 Most Popular Men's Names
in Early Medieval Ireland"
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/irish100.html).
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
* Rotheric Kynith - New Device:
Vert, in pale a stag at gaze argent and a bow and an arrow inverted in
saltire Or.
The submitter's name was registered in May 2002. Since the arrow is not
nocked, the bow and arrow are not in their standard position and this must be
returned for slot machine heraldry, per the following precedent:
[considering a strung bow and arrow along with another
charge] the question was raised as to whether or not this is considered slot
machine since it has three dissimilar charges in one group. While it is true
that it has three charges, when a bow and arrow are in their standard, expected
position they are considered one charge, just like a sword in a scabbard is
considered one charge. It is only when they are separated, or put into non
standard positions for their normal use, such as being crossed in saltire, that
they become two separate charges. (Innogen Mac Leod, 4/99 p. 6)
This would be acceptable if the arrow was nocked. When redrawing this, the
stag should be separated from the bow and the bowstring should be thicker. This
was checked for conflict.
Device returned for redraw.
* Rotheric Kynith and Vivienne de Lampérière -
New Badge:
[Fieldless] A sword inverted Or surmounted by a rose inverted gules barbed
vert and seeded argent.
The names of the submitters were both registered in May 2002. This badge is
to be associated with House of the Sword and Rose, which was approved
at the September 2002 CoH meeting and appears on Caid's Oct. 25 LoI.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
* Vivienne de Lampérière - New Device:
Azure, on a double-headed phoenix Or rising from flames a rose inverted
gules barbed vert, seeded argent.
The submitter's name was registered in May 2002.
Despite the appearance of the outline drawing, the flames are entirely gules.
The phoenixes are crested gules. We have omitted this fact as artistic license.
We believe this is clear of Gregor of Azerbaijan (10/83), Azure, a phoenix
of flames proper and in chief two roses argent, barbed Or, with a CD for
removing the secondaries and another for adding the tertiaries.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Ildhafn, Shire of
Asbjørn Pedersen - Laurel Resub. Name and Laurel
Resub. Device:
Per fess vert and azure, in pale a bear rampant maintaining a lightning
bolt and a dolphin naiant Or.
The submitter's previous submission, Asbjørn Pedersen
Marsvin, was returned at the August 2001 Laurel meeting with the
comment:
No documentation was provided that Marsvin was used in a
name in Danish in period, and the College of Arms was unable to find any.
Without such documentation, this element must be dropped. As the submitter does
not allow major changes, we are unable to drop this element and so must return
this name.
The submitter is interested in a masculine name authentic for 14th C. Danish,
and if the name must be changed, he cares most about the language/culture. He
allows all changes.
Asbjørn is found dated to 1410 in Lind, col.64. Geirr
Bassi lists Asbj{o,}rn on p. 8.
Pedersen is a Danish patronymic. Lind col 831 lists
Pedr, -er, -ar dated to 1383, 1427, and 1438. The on-line
Encyclopædia Britannica lists Christiern Pedersen (1480-1554), a
Danish humanist.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Beatriz de Santiago - Name Change from Holding Name:
Beatriz of Caid
The submitter's previous name submission, Beatriz de Santiago de
Compostela, was returned with the comment:
No documentation was presented, nor could the College of Arms find any, that
de Santiago de Compostela was used in a locative byname. Previous
precedent states:
This name is returned because no documentation can be found for the name
de Compostela. People from Santiago de Compostela were known as
de Santiago. [Livia Teresa de Compostela, 09/99, R-Atlantia]
Lacking documentation that compound forms of placenames like Santiago de
Compostela were used in locative bynames, this cannot be registered.
As the submitter did not allow major changes, we were unable to drop the
element de Compostela and register the name as Beatriz de
Santiago.
The submitter's armory was registered under the holding name Beatriz of
Caid.
The submitter is interested in a 15th-16th Spanish feminine name. If the name
must be changed she cares most about the meaning (Beatriz, from the town of
Santiago de Compostela). She is accepting Laurel's recommendation of
Beatriz de Santiago.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Willehelm von Tannenberg - New Name and Device:
Vert, an eagle argent and on a chevron overall Or two oak leaves
vert.
The submitter would like a masculine name authentic for 13th-15th C. Germany.
If the name must be changed, he cares most about the language/culture, and he
will allow minor but not major changes.
Under the heading Wilhelm on p. 613, Bahlow/Gentry says
Willehalm comes from a "medieval epic". Bahlow also
states "Wilhelm is an old Germanic, especially Norman name"
and in Bayeux around 1171 there were 117 Wilhelms. We believe
Willehelm to be a plausible variant.
Brechenmacher, vol. 1 dates Joh. Tannenberg to 1508 under
the heading Tannenberg(er) on p. 269. The submitter added the
preposition to form the locative byname.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Lyondemere, Barony of
† Anderewe Hawkewood - New Name and Device:
Per saltire azure and sable, a hawk and on a chief argent three broadarrows
sable.
The submitter is interested in a masculine name authentic for mid-11th C.
English. If the name must be changed he cares most about the language/culture,
and he will not accept major changes.
Anderewe is found under the heading Andrew
on p. 23 of Withycombe where it is dated to 1379 in the desired spelling.
Hawkwood is a heading on p. 222 in R&W. Dated spellings
include John de Haukwode, 1343 and John de Hawkwod, 1351.
Also under Hawkhurst on p. 221, R&W date Robert
Haukehirst to 1405-6 and under the heading Hawk on p.
221 Alan Hauke dates to 1327.
Bardsley dates Adam Hawke to 1379 under the heading
Hawk on p. 367. Under the heading Wudu on p.
281, Smith gives Sansom Wood, Simonswood, and Thurtle Wood.
These give evidence for the construction surname + -wood and we have
demonstrated that Hawke is a surname.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Christina O'Cleary - New Device:
Vert, on a pale bretessed Or three leaves vert.
The submitter's name was registered in May 2002.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Christina O'Cleary - New Badge:
Or, in bend three leaves bendwise sinister within a bordure vert.
The submitter's name was registered in May 2002.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Cormac Mór - Kingdom Resub. Badge
[Fieldless] Two torches in saltire argent enflamed proper.
The submitter's name was submitted July 2002 via Caid and forwarded to Laurel
on the Oct. 1 LoI. The submitter's previous badge submission, [Fieldless]
Two torches in saltire surmounted by an open book proper was returned with
the comment:
There is no proper coloration for a torch nor for a book. The flames
are Or fimbriated gules, which has not been allowed for more than a decade. The
book obscures the underlying charges so that they are not easily identifiable,
which has previously been grounds for return.
This redesign addresses each of these problems. The book has been removed.
The torch is now specifically argent, rather than proper. The flames have been
redrawn.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gerhart of Cynnabar - Device Change:
Lozengy sable and argent, a chevron inverted gules.
The submitter's name was registered in January 2002. His current device,
Lozengy argent and sable, a chevron inverted cotised gules, was
registered in March 2002. If this device passes, he wishes to retain his old
device as a badge. The submitted device conflicts with Erliss Greylizard
(09/71), Per pale and per chevron inverted Or and sable, a chevron inverted
gules. A letter of permission to conflict is included.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
† Gráinne ingen Ébir - New Name and
Device:
Per pale azure and vert, three triquetrae within a bordure Or.
The submitter is interested in a feminine name suitable for pre-12th C.
Ireland, but she does not request authenticity. If the name must be changed she
cares most about the sound and she will not accept major changes.
Gráinne is found as a feminine given name on
p. 114 of ÓC&M. It is undated, but appears to have been used by
humans and "retained its popularity in the later middle ages.
"ingen is a pre-1200 Gaelic patronymic article meaning
"daughter of".
Éber is found as a heading on p. 82 of
ÓC&M. ÓC&M note:
In the early documents this name is borne by legendary and
pseudo-historical personages such as Éber, son of Míl, leader of
the Goidelic conquest of Ireland. However, it occurs among the later medieval O
Neills and MacMahons...
On p. 182 under the heading Éibhear, Woulfe indicates
that the genitive ending should be -ir, which would means
Ébir is the genitive form. We are unsure whether
further changes are needed to lenite the name.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
† Láebán Lacroix - New Name and
Device:
Gules, on a cross nowy Or an Irish deer statant contourny guardant
sable.
The submitter is interested in a masculine name. If the name must be changed
he cares most about the language/culture (French/Irish), and he will not accept
major changes. Gaelic-French is a weirdness, but registerable (Maura
MacPharlain, 02/00).
Láebán is found as a pre-1200 spelling in a
heading on p. 120 of ÓC&M. There are two saints of this name.
Lacroix is an undated heading in Dauzat's Noms et
Prénoms.
There is a conflict with Elsa von Thüringen (01/93), Gules, on a
cross nowy quadrate Or, a fireball proper. We are unsure whether there is
a CD between the crosses and are returning this for consultation with the
submitter on whether or not to proceed. We believe that this is simple
according to R.f.S. X.4.j., so there is only one CD for changing the type of
the tertiary.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.
Una Orcadiana - Name Change from: Úna ingen
Chathail
The submitter's name was registered by Laurel in March 2002. She is most
interested in the sound of the first name and the meaning of the second. She
will not accept major changes.
Úna is an Irish name popular in late Medieval
Ireland. The submitter would like to drop the accent mark and Latinize the name
to Una, as shown in Woulfe (p. 218) under
Úna.
Orcadiana is the feminine form of Orcadianus, found
on p. 4 of "a Consideration of Pictish Names" by Heather Rose Jones
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/pictnames).
The name is a Latinate locative/tribal byname meaning "of the
Orkneys". We have followed the author's instructions found on p. 3 for
altering the genitive masculine form to the feminine form; -ianus to
-iana.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Wylds, College of the (Lyondemere)
Wylds, College of the - New Group Name and Device:
Sable, three laurel wreaths Or.
This is an incipient College within the barony of Lyondemere. A petition of
support signed by the officers of the group accompanies the submission. The
submitters will accept minor but not major changes. If the name must be
changed, they care more about the meaning, "untamed or unexplored
lands."
Under the heading Wild, on p. 492, R&W date William
de Wilde to 1200, Walter de la Wylde to 1256, and William
atte Wylde to 1347. The meaning is given as "dweller by the
waste, uncultivated land". Under the heading Wild on p.
519, Ekwall dates La Wyle to 1242. Wylds is part of
the heading. The OED dates Wyldes to 1612 s.v. Wild on
p. 3776-7 under definition B3(b), plural of "a wild or waste
place."
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Naevehjem, Barony of
Robert Grenville - New Name
The submitter desires a masculine name authentic for English and allows all
changes.
This name was mistakenly included in the July minutes even though no
paperwork was provided at that meeting. Crescent, assuming that the submission
results had been left off, decided to accept the name. Now that the error has
been caught, the submission in being presented before the College for a
decision.
Robert is a masculine given name found as a heading on pp.
254-255 in Withycombe, where Robert(us) is dated to 1071-5, and
1086.
Grenville is a locative surname found as a heading on p. 205
in R&W, where Gerard de Grenvill' is dated to 1161. The submitted
spelling is undated in R&W, but we found a citation on p. 629 of Webster's
Biographical Dictionary, which dates Richard Grenville to
1541?-1591.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Western Seas, Barony of
Aelesia of Exeter - New Name and Device:
Gules, two lions combatant reguardant and a Lacy knot within a bordure
potenty Or.
The submitter would like a feminine English name suitable for the 11th-13th
C., and if the name must be changed, she cares most about the language/culture.
She will not allow major changes.
Aelesia is found under the heading Alice on
p. 16 of Withycombe and dates to 1219. Submitted as Aeleisia,
we were unable to find the name as spelled, and changed it to a documentable
form.
Exeter is found dated to 1485 under the heading
Ex on p. 255 of Johnson.
The requisite black-and-white copies are not in outline form, but were
photocopied from a colored page. Thus, they are useless for our purposes. These
arms were not conflict checked and will be pended until
B&W forms are provided.
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device pended for lack of
forms.
Edward of Castleguard - New Name and Device:
Quarterly purpure and sable, a griffin argent.
The submitter would like a masculine name and will accept no changes.
Edward is dated to 901 as a heading on pp. 94-95 in
Withycombe.
Castleguard, as a general term referring to the occupation
of "castle guard", is dated to 1576 on p. 351 of the OED. In
the third definition, the meaning is extended to include that land around the
castle "which is inhabited by such as are subject to this seruice"
(from Termes de la Ley, 1641).
The griffin is colored with a grey crayon. Since it is neither argent nor
sable, it must be returned. No conflicts were found.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for lack of
contrast.
Isabella Cortes de Almeida - Kingdom Resub. Device:
Quarterly sable and vert, a winged sea-unicorn Or between four escallops in
cross argent.
The submitter's name was registered in March 2002.
Her previous device submission, Vert, a unicornate horse rampant to
sinister between four escallops argent, was returned at the Sept. 2001 CoH
meeting for using a unicornate horse, which is a charge that has been
disallowed for a very long time.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Kyrstyan de la Poole - New Name and Device:
Per bend sinister purpure and argent, in bend a griffin passant and two
arrows inverted crossed in saltire surmounted by a saddle
counterchanged.
The submitter is interested in having a feminine name suitable for 13th-15th
C. English and will allow no changes. No documentation for the name was
included.
Kyrstyan is found dated to 1450 under the heading
Christian(a) on p. 65 of Withycombe.
Poole is found as part of the heading Pool, Poole,
Pole, et al. on p. 357 of R&W. Dated citations include Mauritius
de la Pole 1176, Roger de Pole 1191, Thomas del Pol
1260, John Pool 1324, Thomas del Polle 1332. Given the dated
examples, we believe de la Poole to be a reasonable spelling variant
for a period name. Submitted as De La Poole, we made the
article and preposition lower case to match the documentation.
There are multiple problems with this device. The argent portions have been
colored with a grey crayon. Since it is neither argent nor sable, it must be
returned. It is possible that this will be considered slot machine heraldry
(three charge types in the same charge group). Finally, the device contains a
large charge overlying two skinny charges.
Name to be forwarded IF submitter approves the change. Device returned for
redraw.
Rioghnach inghean ui Chonchobhair de Ath Dara - Kingdom
Resub. Name
The submitter's name was returned at the September 2001 CoH meeting for lack
of documentation of the locative de Athdara. The submitter has
remedied the lack of documentation with an overwhelming 80 pages or so of
documentation, most of it from genealogy websites. The documentation was not
well summarized, but even if it had, this submission must be returned: No
submission forms were included!
Name returned for lack of forms.
Robert Crosar - Name Change from: Cellach mac
Ualraig
The submitter wants a masculine name, requests authenticity for 16th C.
Scottish borders and will not allow major changes.
The submitter's current name was registered in October 2000.
The name Robert is found as a given name under the heading
Robertson on p. 695 of Black:
In 1456 Rich Roberti is mentioned in the body of a document and in
signature R. Robertsone (LSC, p. 172). Similarly in 1541 an attestation begins
"Et Ego Alexr Roberti," while the signature is
Alexr Robertsone (ibid., p. 130).
These two examples clearly show the given name Robert being used to
form a true patronymic, and therefore shows its usage as a given name in
Scotland in the 16th C. as requested by the submitter.
Crosar is found as a heading on p. 187 of Black, with the
example John Crosar dated to 1475, and "William Crosar
was a witness in 1537..."
If the submitter's name is accepted, he would like to have his armory
transferred to the new name.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Strom Arenvald - New Name and Device:
Per pale argent and sable, two wolves salient addorsed within a bordure
embattled counterchanged.
The submitter is interested in having a masculine name appropriate for
13th-15th C. "German or Scandinavian". If the name must be changed,
he cares most about the sound, and will allow all changes. No documentation for
the name was included.
The modern German word Strom means "stream, river,
current, power, flow, flood" etc. We could find no evidence of its use as
a given name in Germany or Scandinavia. It is found dated to 1539 under the
entry Strom on p. 348 of Wickenden.
We were unable to find Arenvald in our resources, but note
that the 12/86 LoAR states:
We have followed the submitter's request and prefaced the submitted
name with the documented Old German given name Arenvald to
produce an acceptable Society name.
We beg the help of the CoA in documenting the name. This name is of the form
given name + unmarked patronymic.
The device conflicts with Geyrerd von Altwolfstein (08/94), Per Pale
argent and sable, two wolves combatant within a bordure embattled
counterchanged with a single CD for change of posture.
We note that the "argent" portions of this device were colored in
with grey, and would have been returned for that reason had there not been a
conflict. We caution the submitter to leave all argent portions of the device
as white, not colored grey.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.
Wintermist, Shire of
† Elena verch Gwalchmai - Kingdom Resub Device:
Per chevron argent and vert, two triquetrae and a falcon
counterchanged.
The submitter's primary name appears on Caid's May 15, 2002 LoI. Her previous
device, Vert, a chevron between two triquetrae and a falcon argent was
returned for conflict at the July 2002 CoH meeting. This new submission
conflicts with Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasvryn (07/01), Per chevron argent
and vert, in base a falcon close argent with a single CD for changing the
number of primary charges.
Device returned for conflict.
† Elena verch Gwalchmai - New Household Name:
House of the Silver Falcon and Badge:
[Fieldless] A triquetra inverted per pall argent, vert, and sable.
The submitter's name appears on Caid's May 15, 2002 LoI. She will not accept
major changes to the household name.
Silver Falcon is in the form of a sign name. Colm Dubh's article
"English Inn and Tavern Names of the Middle Ages" (KWHS, AS XXXIII,
p. 167) has The Fawcon dated to 1604. The construction follows the
form "color + animal, such as Gray Horse, Blue Boar, White Bull, White
Hart, and White Horse.
Name and badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
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