Minutes of the 11 January 2004 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the May 04 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Meeting commenced at 11:05AM.

In attendance were: Jeanne Marie Crescent, Lachlan Dolphin, Islyle le Gannocker de Gavain, Selene Aurum, Perrin le Blanc, Ryan of Rickford, Rotheric Kynith, Gwyneth, Cormac Mór, Diego Rivera de Soldano, Una Bellows, Kean Trident, Vivienne de Lampérière, Kurt Sommelier and Balthazar van der Brugghe.

The next heraldry meetings will be: February 8th, March 7th, April 4th, May 23rd, June 13th, and July 11th. Doomsday reports are now overdue – if you haven't submitted yours, please do so ASAP.

Results from the September LoAR were read. Laurel has reissued the standardized forms. We will be reviewing, and probably updating, the Caidan forms. If/when the forms are changed the change will be announced in the CP with a cutoff date for the use of the old forms.

Kingdom is requiring a complete inventory of the College holdings – this includes the library. Vivienne, Ryan, Islyle, and Jeanne Marie will be converting the card catalog into an Access database before the February meeting.

Approved submissions will be forwarded to Laurel on the January 31, 2004 Letter of Intent

Bookmaking/repair class will be held February 21st. If you are interested in attending, please let Crescent know by the February CoH meeting.

al-Sahid, Shire of

Alaric Wintour – New Name.

The submitter desires a masculine name and will accept minor but not major changes (form altered by submitter).

Alaric is found in Withycombe (s.n. Alaric, p.8) dating from 410. Also, Alaric Erskin (registered June 1982) is the submitter's natural father, though no proof of legal relationship was provided.

Wintour is in R&W (s.n. Winter, Winters, Wintour, Wynter, Wynters, p.496) with Roger Winter 1185. Also "OE Winter, Wintra, or OG Wintar." The submitted spelling is not dated.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Alix de Albini – New Name and Device:

Per fess embattled Or and vert, perched on the embattlement a raven sable

The submitter desires a feminine name authentic for 12th century England. She will accept minor but not major changes and if the name must be changed she cares most about the language/culture. The submitter will not allow the creation of a holding name.

The submitter provides as documentation printouts from a genealogy website, which do not appear to be reliable.

In Academy of S. Gabriel Report #2602, <Alix> is found in Sully-sur-Loire, between 1460 and 1500, according to Pierre Courcelle, Nouveaux Document Ine/dits de Sully-sur-Loire (1364-1500) (Paris: Imprimerie Nationale & Librairie C. Klincksieck, 1978). pp. 49, 51, 52, 55, 57, 62, 65, 69, 80.

For the byname the submitter provides an online article "William de Albini, The Conqueror and His Companions" by J.R. Planchini (http://www.patpnyc.com/conq/albini.shtml, moved to http://genealogy.patp.us/conq/index.shm), which details the story of William de Albini who "came over [to England] with the Conqueror."

Identification of the raven on the colored emblazon would be aided by lightly-colored internal detailing. This conflicts with Dafydd Wallraven, Per fess argent and purpure masoned argent, in chief a raven close sable (registered June 1998) with a single CD for changes to the field.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.

Caitlin Christiana Wintour – New name change from Caitlin Christiana Rosa del León.

The submitter will accept minor but not major changes (though she explicitly will accept Christiana Wintour) and if the name must be changed, she cares most about the sound.

The submitter's name was registered June 1987. If this name is registered, the old name should be released.

Caitlin is the submitter's registered given name and thus is grandfathered to her. It is also listed in Withycombe (Katharine, p.187), undated and stated to be Irish from Middle English Caitlin. Caitilín is in OC&M (s.n. Caiterína, p.45), "The Old French forms Caterine and Cateline gave rise to the Irish forms Caitríona and Caitilín (Caitlín)."

Christiana is found in Talan Gwynek's "Feminine given Names in a Dictionary of English Surnames".

Wintour is in R&W (s.n. Winter, Winters, Wintour, Wynter, Wynters, p.496) with Roger Winter 1185. Also "OE Winter, Wintra, or OG Wintar." The submitted spelling is not dated.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Ulrich Heinrich – New Name.

The submitter desires a masculine name authentic for German. The submitter will not accept any changes and if the name must be changed, the submitter cares most about the language/culture (German).

Ulrich is found in Talan Gwynek's "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/bahlow/bahlowMasc.html dated to 1250.

Heinrich is found in Brechinmacher (s.n. Heinrich(s), p. 686) where it is dated to 1369.

Name is approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Altavia, Barony of

James Eofermōr – New Name.

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept both minor and major changes, and if the name must be changed, he cares more about the meaning, "James Everglades."

James is a header in Withycombe (p. 170) where it is dated to 1240.

Eofer___ is in the Onomasticon Anglo Saxonicam p. 228, dated 535.

__mōr is in the Oxford Dictionary of Placenames p. 245, under "Moors, West" noted "oe Mōr". There is no indication that Eofermōr is a plausible constructed name. We cannot change the byname to Everglades as the word is dated to 1827 in the OED and is thus out of period.

Name returned for lack of documentation.

Angels, Barony of

Isabeau Eaglestone of Glinwood and Vivienne de Lampérière – New Badge:

Vert, a pavilion Or and in chief a foi argent

The submitter's name was registered in August 1987, Vivienne's name was registered May 2002.

While the Glossary does not indicate one way or the other, the Pictorial Dictionary (q.v. 553 - under Pavilion) claims that pavilions are open by default. From precedents: "[A foi] The charge in chief was blazoned on the LOI as two hands conjoined in fess. This would have had two default hands --- i.e. apaumy --- rather than the clasped hands shown. According to Lord Crescent, the motif of two hands clasped has an heraldic name: a foi, used in French blazons and possibly some English canting arms (Parker 305) (Lothar Freund, July, 1993, pg. 10)". We have thus blazoned the charge in chief a foi.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Macha Drake – New Name.

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept both minor and major changes, and if the name must be changed, she cares more about the meaning, "War Goddess Dragon." The consulting herald claims that "Dragon" is important to the submitter but Macha was simply a name she preferred, as opposed to having been picked for the meaning.

Macha is a header in Ó Corráin, Donnchadh, and Maguire p. 128, which notes, "There is...a St Macha, one of the daughters of Léníne and patroness of Killiney." While the name is undated, however it should be registerable as a saint's name (per the Cover Letter of September 2001).

Drake is found in MacLysaght (s.n. Drake, p. 90), "This name is derived from an Old-English word meaning dragon. The Drakes...of Drakerath and Drakestown, Co. Meath are there since the thirteenth century."

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Perrin le Blanc – New name and device:

Per bend sable and vert a cross nowy voided

The submitter desires a masculine name and will accept all changes. If the name must be changed the submitter cares most about the language/culture "French".

Perrin is found in Dauzat, p.476 under the heading "Perrin" as a diminutive of Pierre. Perrin also appears in Colm Dubh's "An Index to the Given Names in the 1291 census of Paris" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html).

le Blanc is found in Dauzat, p.46 under the heading "Blanc" as a frequent surname, throughout the north of France with the article le. It is often applied to a man with blond hair. Also found in Reaney & Wilson, (s.n. Blanc, p.48) is Nigellus Blanke, 1196. Submitted as leBlanc, we have added the space to match the documentation, le_Blanc.

The device is returned for non-period style (excessive modernity). Placing a charge framed within another charge is very rare in period and is considered a weirdness (Ungust Filius Antonii, June 2002 R-Caid). This added to the design being evocative of a "gunsight" sends the overall design too far from period practice.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for redraw.

Richard the Wevere – New name.

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept both minor and major changes, and if the name must be changed, he cares more about the sound, "Richard the Weaver."

Richard is a header in Withycombe (p. 253) where she notes that it was prevalent throughout medieval England.

Wevere is found in Reaney & Wilson Rainey & Wilson under the header(s.n Weaver, p.480) dated to 1259 as Simon de Wevere.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Rotheric Kynith – New Kingdom resub. Badge:

Argent, on a roundel azure a wolf sejant ululant

His name was registered May 2002. Crescent returned the submitters previous badge design, (Fieldless) On a hurt a wolf sejant ululant argent onin December 2002 for multiple reasons. This design fixes all of the earlier defects.

This is clear of Freydís ór Thelamörk (02/92), Purpure, a fox sejant within a bordure argent by X.2 (wolf vs. roundel). The only reason that these two appear to visually conflict is that the badge is submitted on the required (roundel) form. The submitter intends to always display the azure portion as a roundel (it is meant to represent a blue moon). When displayed on any other shape the difference between these two pieces of armory is obvious.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Vivienne de Lampérière and Rotheric Kynith – Kingdom resub. Household name, House of Cempa.

The submitters' names were registered May 2002. Their previous submission, House of the Singing Dragon, was returned by Crescent December 2001 for lack of documentation. The name was submitted as House de Cempa. The submitter was present at the meeting and cares most about the spelling "Cempa" instead of having a name authentic for Anglo-Saxon language. They state that the meaning is "warrior or champion", and they will allow all changes. While not noted on the form, the submitters were present and verified that the household name is to be held jointly.

The submitters provide A Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary by John Clark Hall, which notes "cempa", meaning warrior. Also, the submitters provide, An Anglo-Saxon Dictionary by Bosworth, which notes "cempa, a soldier, warrior, champion." Reference to the name as a surname also appears in Reaney & Wilson, (s.n. Kemp, p. 262) with the citation of Eadulf Cempa, dated 902. The name was changed to follow the form from RFS III.2.b (iv) with the example of "House of Anjou".

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.

Vivienne de Lampérière – Kingdom resub. Badge:

(Fieldless) On a chalice argent a rose gules barbed vert seded argent and overall in base bendwise a rose gules barbed slipped and leaved vert seeded argent

The name was registered in May 2002. The submitter's original design, with the same blazon, was returned December 2002 for being "barely overall". The roses are not proper due to the argent seeding.

Unfortunately, this design contains simply too much overlap. The stem of the chalice is difficult to distinguish beneath the flower. The submitters are advised to lengthen the stem of the rose in such a way that the flower and leaves do not obscure the stem of the chalice.

Badge returned for redraw.

Calafia, Barony of

John the Wanderer – New Name and Device:

Sable, on a compass star argent a Maltese cross azure and in base two swords crossed at the tips argent

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if the name must be changed he cares most about the language/culture (unspecified).

Note to the artist; the secondary points of a Compass Star should be thinner and shorter in length

John is found in Withycombe p.178-79 as the header spelling. John is a biblical name frequently used in England from the 12th through 15th century.

the Wanderer is an SCA-compatible byname (q.v. Joel the Wanderer, 12/01, A-Artemisia).

We note for Laurel and Saker that the submitter is in the Air Force. He is currently stationed in Drachenwald (UK) and is scheduled to move to Calontir in March. His family is in Caid, which is why he is submitting through Caid; the consulting herald is his sister-in-law. He is not active in Drachenwald.

Name and device are approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Kendryth filia Gerald – New Name and Resub. Device:

Sable, an hourglass bendwise argent.

This device was pended last month for lack of name. The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept any changes and if the name must be changed she cares most about the sound. The submitter states "I want the Latin patronymic, but do not know the appropriate construction for Kendryth, daughter of Gerald."

The name is documented from the Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum.

Ken_: under Cen p.127, prototheme and _dryth: p.169, a variant of _thryth, a common deuterotheme. There is no indication that this is a plausible constructed name.

Some close spellings can be found in "Anglo-Saxon Women's Names from Royal Charters" by Marieke van de Dal (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/marieke/anglosaxonfem/):

Kynedriþ S-152, 797; Latin, Mercia
Kynedrithe S-140, 765x792; Latin, Mercia
Kynethryt S-121, 781(=780); Latin, Mercia
Kyneðryþ S-118, 780; Latin, Mercia
Kyneþryð S-117, 780; Latin, Mercia

Ger_: p.256, prototheme

_ald: p.65, a variant of _weald, a common deuterotheme

Gerald is also found in Withycombe, p.130, as the header spelling. Though undated in this form, Withycombe says it "was used regularly in the Middle Ages." Gerald is also found in Reany & Wilson, p.188, dated to Richard Gerald, 1277.

The device conflicts with Gareth de Grey (01/98), Sable, an hour glass argent, with a single CD for the orientation of the hourglass.

The name is returned for lack of documentation. The device is returned for conflict.

Teresa Mac Connelly – New Name.

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes, and if the name must be changed she cares most about the language/culture (Irish). If it must change, she prefers Mac Connell. She will not accept (O).

Teresa is found in Withycombe p.276, header Teresa. It is dated in this spelling to 1515-82.

Mac Connelly would appear as an inherited surname rather than having the literal meaning "son of Connelly."," as shown in the precedent: "The construction [feminine given name] + a Mac- style surname is documented in Black (p. 471 s.n. MacClumpha), which lists Joneta Makgillumquha in 1406, dating this construction to at least that early. [Maut MacAlpin, 01/02, A-Meridies]". MacLysaght, under Connoly, p.55 has Mac Connell, (Mac) Coneely, and (O) Connelly. None are dated. Also Woulfe (s.n. mac Conghailaigh) has <M'Conalaye>, <M'Connally>, and <M'Connolly> as English forms temp. Elizabeth I - James I.

Given these, Mac Connelly seems a reasonable derivation.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Dun Or, Barony of

Halldor Thorhalsson – New Device:

Vert, a saltire cotised argent.

His name appears on Caid's July 5, 2003 LoI. He did allow the formation of a holding name if necessary. This conflicts with Cennydd Lambard (11/85), Vert, on a saltire cotised argent, four rose twigs interlaced vert, with a single CD for removing the rose twigs. In addition, there were problems with the submitted emblazons. The outline and color emblazons do not match – the outline emblazon shows a saltire fimbriated, the color emblazon shows a saltire cotised. The space between the saltire and the cotises needs to be wider than the single pen-width line used on the color emblazon.

Device returned for conflict.

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Kieryana Dragonsclaw – New Name Change.

Her current name, William Thespos Dragonsclaw was registered March 1983 (via West). The submitter is interested in a feminine name authentic for Romanian, Croatian, Slavic but did not check the box to make changes. She will accept all changes, and if the name must be changed, she cares most about the sound. The old name is to be released on registration of Kieryana Dragonsclaw.

The submitter documents Kieryana as "From study of slavic-croatian-romanian (sp?) names of period – Kieryana adheres to spelling pronunciations...has proper Romanian-eastern Europe-slavic style languages. It is a simple name, one that fits who the persona is, and, all forces willing and favorable, you folks will be kind enough to grant it."

Dragonsclaw is grandfathered to the submitter. It was originally registered at some point (apparently August 1979) as Giraldus Dragonsclaw and retained when she changed her name to William Thespos Dragonsclaw in March 1983.

Name returned for lack of documentation of the given name.

Kieryana Dragonsclaw – Administrative (Release of Badge):

Sable, a triangle argent between five apples slipped in annulo Or

This badge was registered to William Thespos Dragonsclaw in March 1983. Her name change is included above. She wishes to retain her device Per bend sinister gules and sable, a dragon segreant to sinister Or, registered August 1979.

Approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Litoris Longi, Lyceum (Lyondemere)

Cormac Mór – Kingdom Resub. Device Change:

Per fess with a left step Or and argent

His name was registered February 2003. His previous submission Per pale Or and argent was returned by Crescent at the December CoH meeting for conflict with Malta. If this is registered, he wishes to retain his current device (02/03), Sable, an open book argent between three pairs of torches in saltire argent flamed Or, as a badge.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

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