Minutes of the 26 September 2004 Meeting
[Note: These submissions appear on the Mar 05 LoAR]
Notes and Announcements
In attendance were: Jeanne Marie Crescent, Lachlan Dolphin,
Cormac Bellows, Balthazar Seraph, Diego Rivera Soldano, James
Furison, Aretmas the Innkeeper, Islyle le Ganocker de Gavin and Hrorek
Chevron. This was a roadshow at Fall Collegium; all of the submissions
were made at the consult table on Saturday.
The next heraldry meetings will be: October 24th, November 21st, and December
19th. Note that the December meeting has been rescheduled to avoid conflict
with QC Archery on December 12th.
The tentative schedule for 2005: January 23rd, February 27th, March 13th,
(April Crown name/armory submissions due), April 24th, May 15th, June 12th or
19th (whichever on is not QC Equestrian, which is not yet on the kingdom
calendar), July 10th, August 7th, September 11th (I know this is against
Agincourt Archery but a free Sunday in Sept. is impossible, to find; Sept.
Crown name/armory submissions due), October 2nd, November 6th, and December
4th.
Quarterly reports are due no later than the October meeting. Information for
warranting is due no later than November 7th (SCA name, legal name, contact
information, membership number and expiration date, and territory/title/rank).
I'd like all heralds (territorial and at-large) to be warranted. If I don't get
this information your warrant will not be renewed. As a reminder, baronies
must have a warranted herald.
Policy clarification: The submission this month of
Hæmatite Pursuivant raised the question of whether or not a canton could
register a heraldic title. Previously Madawc Crescent had ruled that
only independent groups could have a title registered. At that time all titles
were registered to the kingdom for the territory's use. In 08/03 this policy
was changed and heraldic titles were transferred to each group. No group may
have more than one heraldic title registered to them. Such a registration
counts against the registration limit of four names imposed on groups without a
ruling noble. Thus, if a group (such as a canton or college) has an available
name slot and wishes to register a heraldic title they may do so. This was
implied in the policy change published by Jeanne Marie Crescent when
the decision was made to transfer titles to the groups. It is now explicitly
allowed.
Approved submissions will be forwarded to Laurel on the November 27, 2004
Letter of Intent
Altavia, Barony of
Artemas the Innkeeper - New Alternate Name:
Artemas Manchester
[Name] Submitter is interested in a feminine name. Her primary name was
registered 07/91.
Artemas is grandfathered to the submitter.
Manchester is a header in R&W 3rd. edition, p 296. The
dated spellings include William Manchestre, 1392.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Angels, Barony of
Cyna Angielczyka - New Name and Device:
Purpure, five half-moon knives in annulo, handles to center
argent.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She allows all
changes, and if the name must be changed, she cares most about the sound. No
other boxes are checked.
Cyna is a header in First Names of the Polish
Commonwealth, William F. Hoffman p. 109. It is a Jewish feminine given
name. It is undated.
Angielczyka (fem. Of Angielczyk) is founder under Angiel- in
Polish Surnames by William Hoffman p. 187.
While we are aware that the forms in Hoffman are not reliable, this is the
best we have at the time, so we are forwarding this with hopes that the College
of Arms can improve the documentation.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Mordechai ben Avraham - New Name.
[Name] Submitter will accept no changes. No other boxes are checked. The
surname was changed by the submitter prior to submission.
Mordechai is found in "Names of Jewish Men, 6th to 11th
Centuries" by Julie Stampnitzky
(http://www.yucs.org/~jules/names/sixth.html).
The full name listing shows R. Yaakov haKohen ben Mar R. Mordechai Gaon (Iraq,
fl. 768-812).
ben is Hebrew, "son of"
Avraham is found in "Names of Jewish Men, 6th to 11th
Centuries" by Julie Stampnitzky
(http://www.yucs.org/~jules/names/sixth.html).
The full name listing shows, among others, Rabbi Avraham Kahana Gaon (Iraq fl.
759-761).
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Calafia, Barony of
Caius Gorgonius Crassus - New Name and Device:
Gules, two lightning bolts in saltire between four eagles, tails to
center reguardant Or.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name authentic for 1st
century AD Rome. He will accept minor but not major changes (form altered by
submitter prior to submission). The submitter will accept
"Crassusianus" if required to register the name.
Caius was a son of Agrippa by Julien; Lempriere (s.n. Caius,
p 118) notes "a praenomen very common at Rome".
Gorgonius, according to Lempriere (s.n. Gorgonius, p. 257),
was a man ridiculed by Horace for his ill smell. Note that this is a nomen, not
a cognomen. We think this takes the form of a cognomen ending in
"-ius" see Withycombe, p .xix.
Crassus was the grandfather of Crassus the Rich (Pliny);
Lempriere (s.n. Crassus, p. 178).
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gaukr mjöksiglandi - Kingdom Resub Badge:
(Fieldless) A tree blasted between in fess and conjoined to two dragons
dormant in annulo, heads to base, all within and conjoined to an annulet
argent.
[Name] His name was registered 02/04.
[Armory] His previous badge, (Fieldless) In fess a dragon dormant between
and conjoined to two trees blasted and eradicated argent, was returned by
Crescent 07/04 for conflict with Wyndylyn Leand na Doinneann for Freehold
Silverwood (04/98), Vert, a hurst of blasted trees argent. At that
time it was noted "if this were not returned for conflict, it still might
not be registerable due to the unblazonable posture of the dragon."
We continue to have difficulties with blazoning this emblazon. This must be
returned for unblazonability of charges and arrangement. Note to submitter:
please contact Crescent for assistance in designing a badge with the desired
elements that is likely to be registerable.
Badge returned for unblazonability.
Carreg Wen, Shire of
Hrodberht von dem Kämpfenhase - Kingdom Name
Appeal, Kingdom Resub Device:
Azure, semy of daggers inverted, on a roundel argent a hare rampant
sable.
[Name] Submitted as Hrodebert von dem Kämpfenhase. The submitter
is interested in a masculine name authentic for 14-16th century German. The
submitter allows all changes, and if the name must be changed he cares most
about the meaning "of the fighting hare." This name was returned by
Crescent 11/02.
The original submission returned for lack of documentation for
Kämpfenhasen.
Hrodebert is found under Robert in Withycombe 3rd. edition,
p. 254 where it is listed as Old German. While this is the same documentation
used on his previous submission, Laurel has since ruled that Withycombe is
unreliable for non-English names. Bahlow/Gentry lists the undated spelling
Hrodberht, (p.461 s.n. Robert). Seibeche vol. 3 gives Hrodbrecht (p.634, s.n.
Robert) which is also undated. The Bahlow/Gentry is closest to the
submitter's desired spelling so we are changing it to this form to match
documentation.
von dem Kämpfenhase "is an invented name following
part II,3 and part III,2,iii of the Rules for Submission of the College of Arms
of SCA. It translates as 'of the fighting hare' and is derived from the
proposed device, submitted with this name." This is the identical
documentation used on the previous submission, where Crescent stated "We
where unable to find examples of this type of name; more documentation is
needed to show that this byname follows period patterns." The submitter
writes:
Original submission returned for lack of documentation for Kampfenhase. Hans
Bahlow's Dictionary of German Names p.284 lists Kämpf translated
as a professional dueller. There are also examples were (sic) Kamph is
combined with other suffixes such as Kamphmüller, Kamphaüsen, etc.
The same is also found in Brechenmacher Fameliel Namen vol. 2 p.8-9.
Hase is also listed in Bahlow p. 215 as a house name with documentation of
"Heinrich Hase ... lived in the house 'zum Hasen' [at the sign of the
Hare], Basel 1293". Bahlow goes on to list several compounds with various
prefixes and suffixes such as Spörhase, Schrechhase, Hetzehase, etc. I
feel this provides plenty of justification for creating the name
Kämpfenhase as a locative byname for someone who lives near the sign of a
rampant (i.e. fighting) hare.
[Armory] At the 11/03 CoH meeting Crescent reblazoned his device as Azure
ermined, on a roundel argent a hare rampant sable, and noted "The
device was submitted with the blazon, Azure, semy of daggers, on a roundel
argent a hare rampant sable. We reblazoned them as ermine spots. If he
wants daggers, he needs to draw them larger and fewer with a clearly
dagger-like appearance." He has redrawn the charges so that they resemble
daggers.
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel; without the support
of the Caidan CoH. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)
Gallavally, Canton of - New Heraldic title
(Hæmatite Pursivant)
[Name] Submitted as Hemetite (Heraldic Title) kingdom
policy is that all territorial titles be registered as Pursuivant
since Laurel at this time requires a designator for heraldic titles. No boxes
are checked.
The OED (q.v. Hæmatite, hematite) states "Native sesquioxide oxide
of iron" and dates the spelling Hæmatite to 1608 and Hematite to
1630. The title Ambre Pursuivant was registered to Caid 03/01 with the comment
"Submitted as Ambres Pursuivant, Crescent indicated he would
prefer Ambre. We have recently registered several other precious
stones as heraldic titles, so we can change this one to the preferred
form." This title follows the same pattern <precious or semi-precious
stone><heraldic designator>.
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel
Gyldenholt, Barony of
Brighid O' Ríordán - New Name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. The submitter
indicated that she will accept major but not minor changes; which we interpret
to mean no changes are allowed. If the name must be changed, she is most
interested in the sound.
Brighid - OCM p.36 under Brighit, dated in this
spelling to 1373.
Ríordán - OCM .p. 156 under Rigbardden.
Ríordán is the last spelling in the header, which Pelican has
noted in the past generally is post-period. OCM notes that the name could be
anglicized Riordan. The post-1200 spelling is Ríoghbhardán.
The surname mixes Gaelic and Anglicised English in the same name phrase and
must be returned for this reason. If the submitter desires a Gaelic name this
would Brighid inghean Ríoghbhardán (with the appropriate
lenition). If the submitter desires an English name, this would be Brighid
O'Riordan.
Name returned for lingual incompatibility.
Eabha inghean Domhnail - New Name and Device:
Lozengy argent and sable, on a bend Or a cat salient between two dumbegs
palewise gules.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept no
changes.
Submitter has included reports from the Academy of Saint Gabriel 1926.
Éabha is found in S. Gabriel report 1926, which states "This
later became the modern <E/abha>; we recommend using this spelling after
the early 13th century. [2]". Reference 2 is OCM (s.n. Éva).
Accents marks may be omitted in Gaelic names if they are omitted in all of the
name elements. Note to Laurel: We had originally changed the given name to
Éabha; however, as the submitted allows no changes the name has been
returned to the form submitted.
inghean is the Gaelic, "daughter of"
Domhnal is a header in OCM p. 75, and is the post-1200 spelling.
Dohmnail is the lenited form of the name. S. Gabriel report
1833 states "<Domhnaill> ... The extra <i> puts the name into
its genitive form."
[Armory] The dumbegs are palewise, but the cat follows the line of the
bend.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Leannán O'Conner - New Name.
[Name] The submitter has no preference for the gender of the name. The
submitter indicated that she will accept major but not minor changes; which we
interpret to mean no changes are allowed. If the name must be changed, she is
most interested in the sound.
Leannán is a masculine given name found in OCM (s.n.
Lennán; p. 122); it is the post-1200 spelling. The submitter is aware
Leannán is a masculine name.
O'Connor - OCM p.58 under Conn, dated through the end
of the last century. MacLysaght has O'Connor (p.55 as the header spelling).
This spelling is undated, though MacLysaght does note, "The name of six
distinct and important septs. In Connacht there were O'Connor or O'Conor Don
(of which was the last High King of Ireland)..."
A name combining Anglicised Irish and Gaelic is one step from period practice
(c.v. Banbnat MacDermot, 09/01).
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Rowen Killian - Laurel Appeal/Name Change
[Name] In 1996 the name Rowen Killian was submitted. Laurel registered it as
Rowan Killian 02/97 with the note "Submitted as Rowen Killian, no
documentation was presented for Rowen as a period given name. We have
substituted the closest documentable period form." In 10/91 Laurel ruled:
"Rowen is a later form of the old English name Hrodwen, and is perfectly
acceptable as such." (LoAR 10/91 p.2). In 09/95 Laurel ruled
The name was submitted as Rowan the Shiftless on the LoI, the given name
having been changed from Rowen for want of documentation. According to Harpy,
Rowen is a documented period spelling of a name used by Geoffrey of Monmouth
for a fictional character; it was not used by human beings in our period but
is considered 'SCA-compatible'. [Rowen the Shiftless, 09/95, A-Atlantia].
In fact, the most recent precedent indicates: "... Rowan is SCA
compatible as a feminine given name, this name is registerable with a weirdness
for use of an SCA compatible element." [Rowan Bridget Blackmoor, 01/02,
A-Atenveldt]
The precedents ruling Rowen acceptable was in effect when Rowan's name was
submitted (and registered); and as far as we can tell it has not been
overturned. In fact, Rowen Seer was registered without comment in 03/00. He
wanted, and still wants, Rowen rather than Rowan. As the name was registerable
in the form he wanted when he submitted we are appealing Laurel's change from
Rowen to Rowan and asking that the name be registered in the form submitted,
Rowen Killian.
If registered as Rowen Killian, the submitter wishes to release the name
Rowan Killian.
Name approved and forwarded with the support of the Caid College of
Heralds.
Rowen Killian - Laurel Resub Badge:
(Fieldless) Two griffins combatant sustaining between them in chief a sun
in its splendor argent.
[Name] His name was registered as Rowan Killian 02/97; the appeal to change
the name to Rowen Killian is included above.
[Armory] Rowan originally submitted (Fieldless) A demi-flamberge inverted
argent hilted sable, handled of a lit candle argent, within and issuant from
the base of a serpent involved deosil sable marked argent, which was
returned by Laurel 02/97 (under the name Rowen Killian) for being two steps
from period practice. When his device was forwarded to Laurel (02/98) it was
sent as a new device (and was paid for). This was returned for conflict and
later devices were sent as Laurel resubmissions. Thus, this badge is a Laurel
resubmission of his 02/97 returned badge. Shauna Laurel has
investigated Rowen's files and agrees that this is Laurel resubmission. On the
mini emblazon, the suggestion of a per pale line of division is due to
incomplete erasing of pencil lines on the original drawing.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Tegan verch Morgant - New Device:
Per chevron azure and vert, a paw print Or and in sinister chief, in fess
an increscent a roundel and a decrescent argent.
[Name] Her name was registered 03/04.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Ursul Vladislav pravnuk - New Name and Device:
Per pale embattled gules and argent, in pale an arrow fesswise and two
bears combatant counterchanged.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor
but not major changes, and if the name must be changed, he is most interested
in the sound.
Ursul is from Wickendon 3rd ed. P.381. Wykenden 3rd Ed.
(p.381) Ursul dated to 610.
Vladislav is from Wickendon 3rd ed. (p.396) dated to the
13th Century.
pravnuk is from Wickendon 3rd ed. P.xxii-xxiii. As far as we
can determine, the grammar indicates that Ursul is the grandson of Vladislav.
We request the help of Nebuly and others in the CoA in verifying that this name
is grammatically correct.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Lyondemere, Barony of
Noe College - Laurel Resub
Name and Device:
Sable, three laurel wreaths Or.
[Name] The submitters allow all changes. A petition is included which lists
the name and blazon of the college, and features a color emblazon. It is signed
by Alexander MacEvilly (Seneschal), Andrés el Rojo (A&S Officer)
Cormac Mór (Herald) and Fedelm Dub (Constable). This comprises the
overwhelming majority of the college, as well as ¾ of the officers. The
college first submitted College of the Wylds, which Laurel returned 04/03 for
lack of documentation. They then submitted Lyceum Litoris Longi, which Laurel
returned 03/04, also for lack of documentation.
Noe is found under Noy, Noyce, Noyes, Noe, Noice, Noise in
R&W p.325, dated in this spelling to c1125. Also Ekwall has Noe p.343 as
the name of a river. The spelling Noue is dated to 1300.
College is the default designator for collegiate groups in
the SCA. (Administrative Handbook, Appendix B - Standard designations for
Society branches. See also Corpora.).
When College of the Wylds was returned, Laurel noted:
One pattern for naming colleges in period is to name them after the surname
of their founder and benefactor; examples include Merton Colledge and
Balliol Colledge, found in this form in Speed's The Counties of
Britain (pp. 146-7, map of Oxfordshire, map dated 1605) This suggests
that Wyld College would be a reasonable name for a college in
period.
Noe College follows this pattern.
[Armory] This is the same device that has been previously submitted. The
prior returns were for lack of a name as a holding name may not be formed for a
group.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Peregrine Rose le fauconer' - New Name and Device:
Per bend sable and argent, a falcon's jamb, belled and jessed argent and
an acorn inverted slipped and leaved proper.
[Name] Submitted as Peregrine Rose Falconer. The submitter accepts all
changes and doesn't care about the gender of the name.
Peregrine is a header in Withycombe 3rd ed p.242, dated from
the 13th century as a masculine given name.
Rose is a header in R&W p.383. It is dated as a surname
in this spelling to 1302 and 1604. It is also found as a feminine given name in
Withycombe (s.n. Rose, p. 258) with dated forms including Rose 1316, Royse
1450, and Roos 1529.
Falconer is a header in R&W p. 161 with dated spellings
including Falkenar 1194, facuner 12th C, le fauconer' 1219, and le ffauconer
1264.
This name cannot be registered as <given name><given
name><surname> as one of the given names would masculine and the other
would be feminine. The form <given name><surname><surname>
does not appear to be period. This appears to be registerable as <given
name><surname/metronymic><occupation>, thus we have change the
last element to le fauconer'. The submitter does not request
authenticity so we request the Pelican return this to the submitted form if it
is registerable as submitted.
Name is approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved
and forwarded to Laurel.
Starkhafn, Barony of
Meadhbh inghean Shéamus - Kingdom Resub
Name
[Name] Submitted as Meadhbh inghean Séamus. The submitter is
interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes and
if the name is must be changed, she cares must about the sound and
language/culture (unspecified, presumably Irish). The submitter has requested
that her previous submission, Lia da Firenze (accepted by Crescent 08/04) be
withdrawn from consideration.
Meadhbh is a header (Medb, Meadhbh) in OCM pg. 135
Séamus is a header in OCM pg. 163. According to the
rules of Gaelic grammar, this must be lenited. We have made this change.
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.
OP Notes
Eabha inghean Domhnail is listed in the OP as Eabha ingen Domhnall.
Mordechai ben Avraham is listed in the OP under that name.
Peregrine Rose le fauconer' is listed in the OP as Adelicia Rose Falconer of
Ludlow.
Hrodberht von dem Kämpfenhase is listed in the OP as Hrodebert Vondem
Kampfehanzen.
Rowen Killian is listed in the OP as Rowan Killian.
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