Minutes of the May 8, 2005 meeting
[Note: These submissions appear on the
Oct 05 LoAR]
Meeting commenced at 11:00 AM.
In attendance were: Jeanne Marie Crescent, Lachlan Dolphin,
Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Selene Aurum, Kurt
Sommelier, Damien Sable Fret, Santine Gold Forest,
Hrorek Chevron, Catherine de Winter, Vivienne de
Lampérière, Grimr inn harfagri, Luiseach nic Lochlann, Una,
Thomas Brownwell.
The schedule for the rest of the year: June 26th (changed to avoid mundane
conflict), July 10th, August 7th, September 11th (Sept. Crown name/armory
submissions due), October 2nd, November 6th, and December 4th.
The June and July meetings will take place at the home of Jeanne Marie
Lacroix. After the July 10 meeting, we will have a moving party to transport
the college's holdings. The files, books, furniture and equipment must be moved
to the Torrance, California home of the new Crescent Herald, Lachlan.
Subsequent meetings will be held at Lachlan's home.
Approved submissions will be forwarded to Laurel on the June 24, 2005 Letter
of Intent
Caid, Kingdom of
Caid, Kingdom of. Release of badge. Vert, in saltire two
trumpets Or surmounted by a dexter hand appaumé all within a bordure
embattled argent.
[Name] The kingdom's name was registered 02/75.
[Armory] This badge was registered 07/82 for the Sign Language Interpreters.
The intent to release this badge was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing it is included and is signed by
Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and Crescent.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Caid, Kingdom of. Release of badge. (Fieldless) An open
book per pale argent and Or, charged in fess with a caliper and a crescent
sable.
[Name] The kingdom's name was registered 02/75.
[Armory] This badge was registered 10/82 for the Scientific Caidan. The
intent to release this badge was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing it is included and is signed by
Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and Crescent.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Caid, Kingdom of. Release of badge. Azure, a hand bell
bendwise sinister argent.
[Name] The kingdom's name was registered 02/75.
[Armory] This badge was registered 04/85 for the Office of Avant Courier. The
intent to release this badge was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing it is included and is signed by
Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and Crescent.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Caid, Kingdom of. Release of badge. Azure, a fasces
within a bordure embattled argent.
[Name] The kingdom's name was registered 02/75.
[Armory] This badge was registered 06/85 for the Office of the Chancellor.
The intent to release this badge was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing it is included and is signed by
Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and Crescent.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Caid, Kingdom of. Release of badge. Azure, a key
palewise, wards to chief, argent.
[Name] The kingdom's name was registered 02/75.
[Armory] This badge was registered 02/88 for the Office of the Chatelaine.
The intent to release this badge was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing it is included and is signed by
Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and Crescent.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Caid, Kingdom of. Name correction for Collegium Caidis.
[Name] The kingdom's name was registered 02/75. Collegium Caidis was
registered 03/80. Based on the O&A, Collegium Caidis appears to be an
independent group. It is not. As noted on the LoI when the name was submitted,
Collegium Caidis is the educational branch of the kingdom. This is similar to
the universities that several other kingdoms have. Collegium Caidis should be
listed as registered to Caid.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Caid, Kingdom of. Release of device for Collegium Caidis.
Argent, on a bend azure between a pomegranate slipped and leaved Or, seeded
and fimbriated gules, and an Arabian lamp flammant Or fimbriated gules, three
crescents palewise argent.
[Name] The kingdom's name was registered 02/75. Collegium Caidis was
registered 03/80. Based on the O&A, Collegium Caidis appears to be an
independent group. It is not. As noted on the LoI when the name was submitted,
Collegium Caidis is the educational branch of the kingdom. This is similar to
the universities that several other kingdoms have.
[Armory] Registered 03/82 and reblazoned 05/85 as the device for Collegium
Caidis. The intent to release this device was published in the kingdom
newsletter and no objections were raised. A letter releasing it is included and
is signed by Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and
Crescent.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
NOTE: The following items are listed here, under the kingdom, for
ease-of-reference. On the Letter of Intent, these will be listed under the
registered name of each group.
Caldera Keep, Canton of. Release of name and device. Azure, platy, a cauldron within a laurel wreath argent.
[Name] This name was registered 12/85. This branch is defunct. The intent to
release name and device was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing the name and armory is included and
is signed by Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and
Crescent.
[Armory] This device registered 04/87.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Carnmore, Canton of. Release of name and device. Argent,
a castle vert, in chief three laurel wreaths, a base rayonny gules.
[Name] This name was registered 08/97. This branch is defunct. The intent to
release name and device was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing the name and armory is included and
is signed by Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and
Crescent.
[Armory] This device was registered 09/97.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Eikdal, Shire of. Release of name and device. Gules, two
serpents erect glissant respectant argent maintaining in their mouths a laurel
wreath Or.
[Name] This name was registered 06/92. This branch is defunct. The intent to
release name and device was published in the kingdom newsletter and no
objections were raised. A letter releasing the name and armory is included and
is signed by Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom seneschal, and
Crescent.
[Armory] This device was registered 06/92; device reblazoned 07/04.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Greymorn, Shire of. Release of name.
[Name] This name was registered 10/82; no device was ever registered. This
branch is defunct. The intent to release name was published in the kingdom
newsletter and no objections were raised. A letter releasing the name is
included and is signed by Their Majesties, Their Highnesses, the kingdom
seneschal, and Crescent.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Calafia, Barony of
Justin Brekleg. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor
but not major changes.
Justin is found as the header spelling of Withycombe p. 185
where Justin Martyr (died AD 163) is listed. The name was not much
used in England but in Ireland where it was used to render some native name,
The Welsh Yestin, Iestin is said to come from it. Justin Whitman was
baptized in 1639. Justina is the next entry in Withycombe and
dates St Justina a 4th century saint, patron saint of Padua. The first example
is Justina d of Lawerence Humphery, President of Magdalen College b. c.
1556.
Breakleg is listed in Reaney and Wison dated to Adam
Brekeleg 1243, AssSo 'break leg'. The submitter prefers the spelling
Brekleg but will accept the dated spelling. To support
the submitted spelling, the submitter also notes
R&W, under the header Breaklance (prior entry) have the desired spelling
Brek___ meaning "break." John Brekpole 1447
CtH 'break pole and William Breksekyll' 1379 meaning 'break sickle'. We believe
the submitted spelling is reasonable.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Tolric of Entwisle. New name and device. Per pale sable
and Or an Owl affronty and in chief two mullets of eight points elongated to
base counterchanged.
[Name] Submitted as Tolric of Entwistle. The submitter does not care
about the gender of the name. The submitter will accept minor but not major
changes. The submitter will accept the spelling Entwissell and the dropping of
“of” only if the name is unregisterable as submitted.
Tolric is a constructed Anglo Saxon name. St Gabriel report
#2403 (attached) states that taking part of each parent's name commonly forms
Anglo Saxon names.
Tol is listed on pg 456 of Serle as a nomen viri, Ellis
B
There are multiple examples of D to T switches, including:
p. 453 Til SW > Dil Fn 335
p. 456 Tolfihn [c. xj c,] inscr at Carlisle Aelina NS
iiij 65ff > Dolfin
p. 459 Trud___ > Drud ___ Fn
346 and Truht___ > Druth___
p. 460 Tub Fn 354 > Dug and
Tug > Dug Fn 354
p. 463 Tynne > Dynne
p. 168 Dol___ is listed as a prototheme and we contend that
since the D to T substitution is not uncommon Tol__ is a plausible
prototheme
___ric is found on pg 399 Sw 629, Fn 1036
Entwistle is found in Reaney and Wilson (s.n. Entwistle,
Entwisle, Entwhistle, p 165). The header spellings are undated but R&W
date John Entwissell to 1332. From Entwisle Lancs.
Entwisle is also listed as a header in Ekwall p. 167 with
additional dated spellings and possible meanings. Ennetwysel 1276, Hennetwisel
1212. Possible meanings; OE twisla is a tongue of land in a river fork.
Other possible meanings henna twisla forked river frequented by water-hens or
ened-twisla (ened 'duck').
As the only dated forms of the locative lack the second "t", we
have changed to a header form that most closely matches the dated spellings.
Combining Anglo-Saxon and English is considered one step from period practice
(q.v. Saxsa Corduan, 10/01); a time disparately of greater than 300 years would
be a second step.
[Device] The proposed blazon claims the charges in chief are compass stars.
Compass stars are mullets of four greater points and four lesser points. The
lesser points tend to be about half the length of the greater ones. Here, we
have mullets with equal-length points except for the base-most point, which is
elongated. Thus, we have changed the blazon to "mullets of eight points
elongated to base" to match the emblazon.
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and
forwarded to Laurel.
Darach, Shire of
Eleanor de Venoix. Kingdom resub. device. Per fess
purpure and azure, a hind at gaze Or between three mullets of eight points
argent.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 02/05.
[Armory] Her previous submission, with the same blazon, was returned by
Crescent 09/12/04 for using the wrong shade of purpure (it came out as
fuschia). She has resubmitted with recolored copies, and the purpure appears to
be an undoubted purple this time.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gyldenholt, Barony of
Alienor d'Orliens. New name.
[Name] Submitted as Aliénor d'Orliens. The submitter is
interested in a feminine name authentic for "1200+ France". She
allows all changes; and if the name must be changed she cares most about the
language/culture (France). She also notes, "Feel free to change place
name". We take this to mean she cares more about the given name than
byname.
The submitter cites Withycombe for Aliénor (s.n. Eleanor, pp. 96-97).
Withycombe notes this is the Provençal form of the name; however,
Withycombe has been ruled unreliable for non-English names. Withycombe does
date Alienor to the 12th to 15th C in England.
Alienor is found in Aryanhwy's "Late Period French
Feminine Names"
(http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrench.html)
where it is dated to 1488 and 1574. The period forms do not seem to use the
accent so we have removed it to match the submitter's request for
authenticity.
d'Orliens is found as a byname in Colm Dubh's "An Index
to the Given Names in the 1291 Census of Paris"
(www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html).
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.
Damiano Drago da Gorgonzola. New Name.
[Name] Submitted as Damiano Drago di Gorgonzola. The submitter is
interested in masculine name. He allows all changes; and if the name must be
changed he cares most about the language/culture (presumably, Italian).
Damiano is found in De Felici's Nomi (s.n.
Damiàno, p. 121). The accent marks in de Felice are for pronunciation
only. Several Saints Damiano are mentioned.
Drago is found in De Felici's Cogomi (s.n. Drago, p.
116), where it appears to be undated though based on a medieval form: "Ha
alla base nome e soprannomi già medioevali formati da drago e
dragóne…".
Gorgonzola is an Italian place name. CLG indicates that it
is 11 miles from Milan. 1200 AD. The page for the Consortium for the Production
of Gorgonzola Cheese
(http://www.gorgonzola.com/eng/default.htm,
for the English version), notes under History "Gorgonzola has very old
origins, although, like many other traditional food products, it has no
official birth certificate but many hypothetical and legendary ones. Some claim
that gorgonzola was first made in the town of the same name situated just
outside Milan, in the year of grace 879." The official website of the town
does not include a history section. We believe that the documentation is
sufficient to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt.
The particle used with Italian locatives is da not di; we
have made the necessary change.
Name returned for lack of documentation.
Western Seas, Barony of
Najmun al-Andalusiyya. New name and device. Vert,
between the tips of a vol a mullet of eight points Or, on a chief raguly argent
three mullets of eight points azure.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept all
changes; and if the name must be changed she cares most about the
language/culture (unspecified).
The submitter documents Najmun as meaning "a star"
from Lessons in Arabic Language - Book 1 by Dr. V. 'Abdur Raheem of the
University of Madeenah
(http://www.islamic-knowledge.com/Learning_Arabic/Madeenah_Book/Vocabulary.htm).
The submitter also provides documentation from Anne Marie Schimmel in
Islamic Names (Edinburgh Univ. Press, 1989; title page not included in
documentation) that this is a valid part of a name: (p. 3) "All nature
served the Muslims for names, beginning with the sun (shams; Shemissa
is still in use in Tunis_ and {a-}ft{a-}b, khursh{i-}d (P) or
Gün, günes (T) - to the moon and ay (T) occur often
in combinations). Stars in general - najam, akhtar (p),
y{iv}ld{iv}z (T) - are used." We do not know what the
abbreviations mean in this section of the text. This is insufficient to
document the given name.
al-Andalusiyya is a locative byname meaning "woman from
Andalus", as found in "Andalusian Names: Arabs in Spain" by
Juliana de Luna
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/andalusia/).
[Device] We note that difficulty in blazoning the position of the central
mullet would seem to indicate non-period style. But we have used the wording
from other recent submissions as our guide.
Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for lack of
a name.
Order of Precedence Notes
None.
Bibliography
'Abdur Raheem, Lessons in Arabic Language - Book 1. University of
Madeenah
(http://www.islamic-knowledge.com/Learning_Arabic/Madeenah_Book/Vocabulary.htm).
Aryanhwy merch Catmael. "Late Period French Feminine Names",
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrench.html.
Colm Dubh. "An Index to the Given Names in the 1291 Census of
Paris",
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html
De Felice, Emilio. Dizionario dei Cognomi Italiani. 4th ed. Arnoldo
Mondadori Editore. Milan, 1986. [Cognomi]
De Felice, Emilio. Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani. 4th ed. Arnoldo
Mondadori Editore. Milan, 1986. [Nomi]
Ekwall, Eilert. The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place-Names.
4th ed. Oxford University, New York, 1960. [Ekwall]
Juliana de Luna, "Andalusan Names: Arabs in Spain".
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/andalusia/.
Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. A Dictionary of English Surnames
Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press, 3rd ed. 1995. [R&W]
Schimmel, Anne Marie. Islamic Names. Edinburgh University Press,
1989.
Withycombe, E. G. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names.
Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press 3rd ed. 1977. [Withycombe]
Woulfe, Patrick. Sloinnte Gaetheal ir Gall: Irish Names and Surnames.
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1967. [Woulfe]
Return to the Minutes list
Return to the main Herald's page
Return to the Caid home page
|